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Subject: RE: Document Authoring Tool Woes
All, I have the same recollection as Bob does regarding formatting. I also agree that we should amend to allow bulleted and numbered lists. Regards, Darren > -----Original Message----- > From: George_Robert_Blakley_III@tivoli.com > [mailto:George_Robert_Blakley_III@tivoli.com] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:29 AM > To: Eve L. Maler > Cc: security-services@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: Document Authoring Tool Woes > > > All, > > Just to be clear, unless I seriously misunderstood the response to the > discussion I started on the > call Friday, the use cases & requirements subgroup has not yet made any > decision about either > what format its documents will finally be in or what tools it will use. > > The interim agreement we reached, in the interests of keeping our options > open, was to use any > tool you choose, but to circulate work products in the following formats: > > text: > > Format: HTML or RTF > Rules: use only "body", "heading level 1", and > "heading level > 2" tags (for now) > > I'd like to propose amending this by allowing you to also > use bulleted > and numbered lists, if that's OK > > figures: > > Format: .ppt or JPEG > > We did agree that the output format we'll use, whatever tools and source > formats are chosen, will > be Adobe Acrobat .pdf. > > We *discussed* but *did not* decide for sure on the use of XML as the > format for the final document. > I'm still investigating tool support for this. > > As I said on the call, my criteria are: > > Whatever tools and format we choose must be able to support the > following: > > numbering (at least of paragraphs; preferably of lines also, for > reference when reviewing) > revision marks > imbedded figures > > --bob > > Bob Blakley > Chief Scientist, Security > Tivoli Systems, Inc. > > > "Eve L. Maler" <eve.maler@east.sun.com> on 01/22/2001 09:53:16 AM > > To: security-services@lists.oasis-open.org > cc: > Subject: RE: Document Authoring Tool Woes > > > > At 06:08 PM 1/21/01 -0500, Orchard, David wrote: > >I suggest that you try talking with Eve about the W3C xml/xmlspec > dtd/xslt. > >When I was active at co-editing XInclude and XLink, there was a W3C DTD. > >Then each WG created it's own stylesheet. The XLink Ben Trafford and I > >copied mostly from the Schema WG. > > The XMLspec DTD is being used for many of W3C's specifications. I have > maintained it for the past few years. My colleague, Norm Walsh, is the > primary maintainer for the XSLT stylesheet that produces HTML output, and > html2ps was used very successfully for the XML 1.0 Second Edition spec for > producing PDF. If you want to see samples of the DTD and its output, go > to: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml > > There are several free XML editors. Most of them (like XML Spy) > are really > not meant for writing prose, but there are others that work pretty well in > this respect. I like XED, which is a simple text editor that is > DTD-aware, > and emacs users could use the XML mode that's out there. Check out the > following XML portal for a list of free XML editors: > > http://www.startkabel.nl/k/xml/ > > >Images were created in whatever, then saved as gif. > > I think standardizing on GIF or JPEG would work just fine. > > >You also might want to check with other Oasis TC's to see if Oasis has > >developed an OASIS Spec DTD/Schema. If not, you could be in > ground-breaking > >territory! Imagine, you could kick-off the standard that other > OASIS tc's > >use. > > A few months back, I was in discussions with some OASIS, W3C, and IETF > people to see about making a more generic version of XMLspec for use in > other standards development organizations. I never went through with it, > but it would be trivial to remove the W3C-specificity out of > XMLspec, and I > bet I could convince Norm to modify his stylesheet to (e.g.) stick the > OASIS logo in there. > > My strong preference is to use XML for our specifications, and I'm willing > to do some work to help this happen. It means a little more hassle and > initial discomfort with the tools, but it's nothing compared to passing > around proprietary file formats that some people have problems > with (I have > to admit that StarOffice sometimes does a bad job with Word files > that have > embedded graphics), and it just looks really bad to use something > proprietary. :-) However, I will leave this matter up to Bob Blakley and > the other editors to decide (perhaps the discussion should be > carried on in > the security-editors list...). > > Eve > -- > Eve Maler +1 781 442 3190 > Sun Microsystems XML Technology Center eve.maler @ east.sun.com > >
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