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Subject: RE: [smartgrid-interest] Draft Charter - Energy Market InformationExchange (GEOSPATIAL)

It's important to point out that end nodes have two different location attributes, each expressed in two different topologies.  As pointed out there are geospatial coordiantes that can be expressed using OGC compliant standards, but the other is the grid location. In many instances it is the grid location that is more important than the geospatial location.  In general you can translate between the two, but in the T&D world it is generally the grid view that holds sway.  Market forces (e.g. LMP) and grid regulation is generally done using grid location as oppossed to geospatial location.  That being said there are many use cases where geospatial location is more appropriate that grid location.  My point is that when describing the "location" of an end node any standard should support both geospatial and grid coordinates.
-ed koch

From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [Toby.Considine@unc.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:10 PM
To: 'William Cox'; Lance McKee
Cc: smartgrid-interest@lists.oasis-open.org; Carl Reed OGC Account; Mark Reichardt; Christopher Groome; Kang Lee; smartgrid-discuss-owner@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [smartgrid-interest] Draft Charter - Energy Market Information Exchange (GEOSPATIAL)

I had to comment on the Geospatial portion of this.


DR (Demand Response) is the means that the utilities use today to get users to shed load (“Nega-Watts”) during times of peak load. In some regions, they will pay handsomely for this shed. There is a critical mid-market group known as the DR Aggregators. Depending on local policy and politics, many of the utilities have a love/hate relationship with the DR Aggregators, either seeing them as a middle-man to be gotten around, or a critical service provider. DR Aggregators are often involved with building performance optimization or business process re-engineering as appropriate.


As might be expected in such a prickly relationship, the DR Aggregators are not necessarily interested in revealing all of their customers by name. On the other hand, as the T&D grid is definitely a flowing network with bottle necks, it may be necessary to report on exactly which portion of the grid the reduced load is going to be achieved.


If the end nodes (homes, businesses, industry) know their point locations, using OGC specs (KML?), to report location of NG-911, then the value/cost ratio improves, getting a two-fer on the initial set up. If the [distribution] grid is described as an OGC specified polygon, then it becomes straightforward for the aggregator to sum DR promises by geographic polygon / rete of the grid. If the bottle-neck is further upstream, it becomes straightforward to sum across polygons. If two competing DR Aggregators are working the same territory, it becomes simple to sum those reports for the same polygon, and price appropriately.


And if they fail, and that substation fails, and that same polygon is down, then that is another report back to the first responders indicating intersections where traffic cops needs to direct traffic, and neighborhoods that may require increased patrols…





"A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying ... that he is wiser today than yesterday." -- Jonathan Swift

Toby Considine

Facilities Technology Office
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC


Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu
Phone: (919)962-9073


blog: www.NewDaedalus.com



From: William Cox [mailto:wtcox@CoxSoftwareArchitects.com]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:54 PM
To: Lance McKee
Cc: smartgrid-interest@lists.oasis-open.org; Carl Reed OGC Account; Mark Reichardt; Christopher Groome; Kang Lee; smartgrid-discuss-owner@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [smartgrid-interest] Draft Charter - Energy Market Information Exchange


Lance -

Thanks for the suggestions (1-3) below; they'll be in the next draft of eMIX.

Also reaching out to NAESB, looking for guides to their work -- any assistance would be greatly appreciated.



William Cox
Email: wtcox@CoxSoftwareArchitects.com
Web: http://www.CoxSoftwareArchitects.com
+1 862 485 3696 mobile
+1 908 277 3460 fax

Lance McKee wrote:



A few suggestions for the draft charter for the proposed OASIS Energy Market Information Exchange (eMIX) Technical Committee:


1)   The draft charter states, "European markets have an additional area of interface, between Transmission and Distribution (in American terminology), as these are typically under separate ownership. As time allows, or in a future update, the TC may address those needs as well."  I think it's important for your "Enterprise View" to include these needs without fail, because 

-- Customer ownership of microgrids (a la Galvin Institute's "Perfect Power") will be likely be a critical factor in the transition from centralized to distributed generation, globally. Distributed generation is very much driven by new opportunities for distributed ownership and control of energy assets.

-- Global product deployment and customer acceptance of the new standards will require international participation, or at least consideration of other nations' requirements, in the development of the standards. Larger markets encourage investment, innovation, technology convergence and lower prices, so everyone will benefit if the standards are global. Rapid national and global market rollout of distributed generation has important national and global security benefits and economic benefits.


2)  The Enterprise view for Smart Grid commerce standards needs to explicitly state that ownership of each physical "feature" (meter device, device metered, building, right of way, etc.) matters. 


3)   The Enterprise View for Energy Market Information Exchange should explicitly state the need for standards to support measurement, control and real-time buying/selling (and sometimes regulating) not only of electricity but also of fuels and combustion (and emissions, such as wood smoke in urban settings), water and sewage and perhaps even bandwidth usage. Also, end user and small generator participation in carbon trading needs to be explicitly enabled and not inadvertently precluded by the standards. Detailed standards for the electric power markets should come first, but as part of a comprehensive and coherent high level "smart pipes and wires" standards framework.


4) I missed the end of the comment period for the draft charter of the OASIS Energy Interoperation TechnicalCommittee, so I failed to register my comment (offered as an OGC consultant) that indoor and outdoor spatial locations and spatial relationships matter. But this is important for commerce as well. Geospatial standards from the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC), ISO TC/211 and IEEE 1451 are in wide use and need to be incorporated into the Smart Grid standards ecosystem. OGC and the buildingSMART Alliance recently completed the first in a planned series of multi-sponsor, multi-participant AEC-Owner-Operator (AECOO) Testbeds in which energy is an important focus. Follow-on AECOO Testbeds will likely involve the OGC Sensor Web Enablement and IEEE 1451 "smart transducer" standards. OASIS has a memorundum of understanding with the OGC. The OGC's CTO is Carl Reed (creed@opengeospatial.org). The buildingSMART alliance contact for the AECOO testbed is Christopher Groome (chris.groome@b-r-t.co.uk). The IEEE Instrumentation and Measurement Society’s Sensor Technology Technical Committee is chaired by Kang Lee (kang.lee@nist.gov).


Thank you for the opportunity to offer these comments.




Lance McKee

phone/fax: 508-752-0108

cell: 508-868-2295



On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:43 PM, William Cox wrote:

I've attached a draft charter for the proposed OASIS Energy Market Information Exchange (eMIX) Technical Committee.

This TC is intended to address the prices, market characteristics, and other information for energy trading, buying, and selling. I was inspired to start working on this from discussions in and around the NIST Building-to-Grid and Industry-to-Grid Domain Expert Working Groups, and continued interest from first round reviewers and from people attending GridEcon 2009 in Chicago (http://www.gridecon.com -- slides are available on line at the agenda link).

From my perspective as an enterprise software architect, this fits into a simple three layer stack with interoperation protocols (how to communicate) as the fundamental layer. I put the Energy Interoperation TC/OpenADR work here, with parts of the message payload in the next layer.

The middle layer is what is communicated -- for markets, things like price, quantity, units, time (of use), and characteristics of the energy sold -- from source (e.g. gas-fired plants, coal, solar, coal plant with scrubbers, wind) to derived information (e.g. carbon data), and also trading information (is this a bid, a price quote, an accepted transaction?).

The goal is to create an XML vocabulary that can be used in a broad range of market exchanges with minimal differences (and where there are differences, arranged in a simple way) for the various consumers of the information.

The third layer is the market design and definition; since markets have varying degrees of complexity I'm leaving this alone for now :-). This is a potentially complex area, and an interesting one. Accordingly, I'd like to carefully define the EMIX work to focus on layer two.

I invite you to participate in a discussion on how to improve this charter, as well as the sorts of characteristics that are important to energy markets.

If you would like to be listed on the charter when submitted as a supporter, please contact me or Toby Considine.

Comments to me or (preferably) to the list. Please reference line numbers where appropriate.


William Cox
Email: wtcox@CoxSoftwareArchitects.com
Web: http://www.CoxSoftwareArchitects.com
+1 862 485 3696 mobile
+1 908 277 3460 fax

<Energy Market Information Exchange TC Charter 20090330.pdf>


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