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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Interacting w/Services Model Updated (a start on EDA & event-driven SOA)


This is why I put MESSAGE between ACTION and EVENT (see chart at the bottom)
- Michael




>Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Interacting w/Services Model Updated (a start on EDA & 
event-driven SOA)

>    * From: "Chiusano, Joseph" ><chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
>    * To: "Francis McCabe" ><frankmccabe@mac.com>,<michael.poulin@uk.fid-intl.com>
>    * Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:19:08 -0400

>A message initiates (puts into motion) an action by a message recipient,
which causes an event to occur (can also say it "triggers an event").

>Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: Francis McCabe [mailto:frankmccabe@mac.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:41 PM
To: michael.poulin@uk.fid-intl.com
Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Interacting w/Services Model Updated (a start
on EDA & event-driven SOA)

Michael
  You have misunderstood the connection that we looked at before here.

  An event cannot cause anything. Least of all an action.

  By definition, an event is a report f something that has happened that
is of interest to someone.

  An action is the application of intent (I personally prefer the term
force over intent, but that riases more potential for
misunderstanding) on a target to achieve an effect.

  Actions may (but then again may not if the action was unsuccessful)
give rise to events. An event may be interpreted by an agent as a reason
for initiating actions.

  Messages may be used to denote events and actions. More accurately:

We use message exchange as the realization of communication of actions
and events.

  More accurately still, following from Herbert Clark's notion of joint
action:

Participants send and receive messages (which are inherently individual
actions) in order to participate in joint actions (the exchange of a
message, the performance of an action, the reporting of an event).

In our architecture, actions and events are both realized via message
exchange. A message may be used to denote an action and/or an event.

Frank

On Mar 18, 2007, at 3:13 PM, michael.poulin@uk.fid-intl.com wrote:

> Replying to the Jeff's question about relationship between Event and 
> Action, let me suggest that an Event can cause an Action directly or 
> indirectly; plus, in some cases, one Action might be not enough to 
> cause particular Action. All this looks complex.
>
> Would it be easier to define that an Event can relate to the Action 
> via a Message? On the UML diagram, the 'denote' relationships might be

> bi-directional... In other words, I propose using following UML 
> construct here:
>
>       :EVENT  ------x-------->  :ACTION
>                     !
>                     !
>                     !
>                     !
>                  :MESSAGE
> - Michael
>
>


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