Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram

[Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com>]

Title: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram

I just saw context missing from the diagram.  If it is in the doc then I’ll have to read.

WRT evidence of trust,  I had interpreted the graphic to indicate that trust was based on evidence.  This is a bit different.  What I had presumed it was showing was that “trust” is based on “evidence”.  If there is not as much evidence to support trust, then the trust level diminishes.  Accordingly, I found evidence was not really the best word for the concept.  I think it is more or less a perception.  Any con man can provide full evidence of being trustworthy yet may not be so.

Duane


On 5/13/09 4:20 PM, "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com> wrote:

> We already defined Evidence of Trust as the set of observable
> assertions.... I pushed hard for the dependencies so that Dave and I
> can build evidence of trust into policy-based decisions in solution
> architectures based on the RAF. How much more than reputation,
> trustor's experience with trustee, third-party ratings/opinions and
> the formal exchange of tokens do we need?
>
> Dave would like to get intent specifically included in Trust
> included, but I am not up to more infinite decomposition and debate,
> since we can use the prior definition and discussion of intent,
> goals, adoption of goals and accountability.
>
> As to context, have we failed to define and discuss and explain our
> uses of that? Heck, it's Section 1.1. It also shows up in Section 3.1
> in the airline example and then it is specifically noted as part of
> the cpmtext of acting in a social context as joint action.
>
> Cheers,
> Rex
>
> At 2:31 PM -0700 5/13/09, Duane Nickull wrote:
> >I agree with Ken (especially the part about not trusting Bettina to
> >pick out a good action movie).  I think that "evidence" is really
> >"beliefs" or similar.  Many people see evidence to the contrary but
> >still believe their original notions.  For example, your see
> >evidence that contradicts your deep rooted beliefs.  Most people
> >still like to cling to their belief system.
> >
> >D
> >
> >
> >On 5/13/09 2:00 PM, "Ken Laskey" <<>klaskey@mitre.org> wrote:
> >
> >I do not trust her to go to the video
> >store and pick out a good action adventure movie.
> >
> >
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