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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Architectural Scope of Reference Model


Ken:

"Advertising" is an abstract concept.  I would define it as "a 
methodology to convey awareness of (the existence of) a service(s) to 
all consumers on a fabric".  Does this sound like a good place holder 
for the glossary?

Discovery is an aspect facilitated by advertising.  A consumer 
"discovers" a service because the service's existence was advertised to 
the consumer or the service description was inspected by the consumer.  
Discovery does not automatically imply a right to use the service.

There are multiple ways to implement a mechanism for discovery.  811g 
uses a radio signal broadcast, web services uses UDDI, ebXML uses CPP's 
accessed via an ebXML registry-repository, CORBA uses an ORB, J2EE uses 
RMI Registry, Windows uses a registry.....

Duane


Ken Laskey wrote:

> How a capability is provided is a design issue but that a capability 
> exists is certainly in the purview of the RM. While I might for RM 
> sake indicate a vaguely defined box that needs more definition to ever 
> see software, that vaguely defined box must be in the RM or we lose 
> that aspect and have an incomplete description. I can give you a half 
> dozen ways to do discovery, but is a discovery box that can notionally 
> support all of these an elementary necessity for the RM?
>
> Ken
>
> P.S. I'm still struggling over discovery vs. advertising, so please 
> read the above with whichever one makes most sense to you.
>
> On Mar 31, 2005, at 7:32 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>
>     <Quote>
>     I suspect when we get to specifying what gives a service unique
>     identity,
>     </Quote>
>      
>     Will we ever reach that point? That is, is the question of whether
>     or not a service has a unique identity within the scope of a RM?
>     My take is no - it's a design issue, and potentially an
>     architecture issue depending on how such a unique identity needs
>     to be generated/maintained (i.e. may have an "identity engine"
>     component in an architecture - not to be confused with identity
>     management for security).
>      
>     Kind Regards,
>     Joseph Chiusano
>     Booz Allen Hamilton
>     Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
>      
>
>
>     From: Scott Came [mailto:scott@justiceintegration.com]
>     Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:44 PM
>     To: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>     Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Architectural Scope of Reference Model
>
>     Hello everyone, I've been lurking so far, but let me jump in on
>     this one...
>
>     Thomas' key question, as I read his post, was not whether messages
>     should be part of the RM, but whether service requestors should be.
>
>     In my view, having services without service requestors doesn't
>     make a lot of sense. So I would like to suggest that service
>     requestors are a proper element in the RM.
>
>     If you grant that, then the relationship between a service
>     requestor and a service implies the exchange of some information
>     (in the general case). We might not call that a "message", but it
>     does exist. Is there another, more appropriately abstract, name
>     for the elements of the service's interface that specify the
>     structure of information exchange that occurs between requestor
>     and service?
>
>     Looking at it another way (and forgive me if this is getting ahead
>     of where we should be)...I suspect when we get to specifying what
>     gives a service unique identity, it may well be a (perhaps
>     qualified) name plus a set of interface elements
>     (operations/behaviors, if you will, and the "signature" of those
>     operations). If so, then we'll need a name for the elements that
>     represent the input and output parameters (again, forgive the
>     "concrete" terminology) of each operation.
>
>     Regards...
>     --Scott
>
>     Scott Came
>     President and Principal Consultant
>     Justice Integration Solutions, Inc.
>     Olympia, Washington
>     scott@justiceintegration.com
>     http://www.justiceintegration.com
>
>     > Thomas:
>     >
>     > Thank you for this very elegant summary!
>     >
>     > I think the answer may be in the definition of a "reference
>     model" vs.
>     > "architecture". I think case studies will help clear up this
>     > confusion. A reference model will normally not contain
>     "messages" as a
>     > component.
>     >
>     > 1. Please look at the OSI Reference model. This is a communication
>     > stack yet it does not contain messages:
>     > http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~jphb/comms/std.7layer.html
>     >
>     > This does not contain any "message" although messages will occur in
>     > implementations using the reference model
>     >
>     > 2. The ITA Reference Model likewise does not have "messages":
>     > http://www.ewita.com/earlywork/itarefr.htm
>     >
>     > 3. RCS Reference Model
>     > http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/documents/messina/euro_cast.pdf
>     >
>     > Again - no messages even though there is an element marked
>     > "Communications" in figure one.
>     >
>     > The reference Model should not contain "messages" as a
>     component. That
>     > belongs in architecture or implementations based on the reference
>     > model. I have never encountered one reference model with
>     concrete terms
>     > in it. If it had such, it would not be abstract.
>     >
>     > We must think abstract, not concrete.
>     >
>     > Duane Nickull
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Thomas Erl wrote:
>     >
>     >> Some thoughts regarding the on-going discussion of whether a
>     message
>     >> element should be part of our reference model:
>     >>
>     >> As per our chosen definition of architecture, in order to describe
>     >> service-oriented architecture we need to:
>     >> 1. Define elements that comprise the structure of a system.
>     >> 2. Define external properties of these elements.
>     >> 3. Define relationships between these elements.
>     >> 4. Define the overall structure of the system.
>     >> (not necessarily in this order)
>     >>
>     >> Starting with the first point, different element collections
>     have been
>     >> proposed in the two position papers submitted so far. As has been
>     >> discussed, the MacKenzie/Nickull paper does not identify a message
>     >> element, whereas Kohring's does.
>     >>
>     >> A related difference I noticed when reviewing these papers is that
>     >> Kohring's establishes a broader range of SOA elements.
>     Specifically,
>     >> both service provider and requestor (consumer) roles are
>     separately
>     >> identified and described. As mentioned in item #3 above, we are
>     >> required to define the relationship between the elements we
>     define.
>     >> Therefore, it makes sense that this paper includes a separate
>     element
>     >> (message) that can be used to help describe the relationship
>     between a
>     >> service and its requestor.
>     >>
>     >> The elements identified in the MacKenzie/Nickull paper are:
>     >> - Service
>     >> - Service Description
>     >> - A form of advertisement to facilitate discoverability.
>     >> - Service Contract
>     >> - Data Model
>     >> These elements form a narrower architectural scope, leading to a
>     >> proposed architecture that revolves primarily around the
>     service (or a
>     >> service assuming the provider role). Because a service
>     requestor is
>     >> not explicitly identified as a separate element, it makes sense
>     that
>     >> an element representing some unit of communication (message or
>     >> otherwise) is also not identified. Within this model's scope, the
>     >> definition of a relationship between a service and its requestor
>     >> (beyond details implied by description, contract, data model, and
>     >> advertisement elements) is not a requirement.
>     >>
>     >> I believe that in order to address the issue of whether a
>     message is a
>     >> legitimate element within the reference model, we should begin
>     >> by clearly defining the scope of our abstract architecture.
>     Given that
>     >> we are establishing core elements that are expected to be
>     present in
>     >> all forms of SOA, this raises the question: Does an architecture
>     >> require the presence of both a service provider and a service
>     >> requestor (the coffee shop and the patron) in order to be
>     classified
>     >> "service-oriented"? If yes, we must define this relationship. To
>     >> properly do so, we very well may need to further identify and
>     define a
>     >> separate element to represent an abstract unit of communication
>     passed
>     >> between them.
>     >>
>     >> Thomas
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
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>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>
> Ken Laskey
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