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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps


Admittedly, I used an online translation service:

http://www.translatum.gr/

Duane

George Ntinolazos wrote:

>Being Greek I would agree with this translation :-) 
>
>George
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank McCabe [mailto:frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com] 
>Sent: 04 May 2005 18:36
>To: Duane Nickull
>Cc: Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps
>
>LOL:
>  I tried to translate this using the dashboard translation widget:
>
>   Can try again
>
>Frank
>
>On May 4, 2005, at 10:26 AM, Duane Nickull wrote:
>
>  
>
>>"Interoperability, excellence and alcohol."
>>
>>Duane
>>
>>Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>&Mgr;&pgr;&ogr;&rgr;&egr;&iacgr;&tgr;&egr; &ngr;&agr; &dgr;&ogr;&kgr;&igr;&mgr;&aacgr;&sgr;&egr;&tgr;&egr; &pgr;&aacgr;&lgr;&igr;: "Join Our TC"?
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>---
>>>From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
>>>Sent: Wed 5/4/2005 1:00 PM
>>>Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise  
>>>apps
>>>
>>>Rex:
>>>
>>>I believe we all share your vision of "technical excellence".
>>>
>>>I was actually toying with the idea of getting a shirt design for our
>>>TC. Came up with a rather edgy design - the top would have "OASIS  
>>>SOA RM
>>>TC in arced letters, the middle with a skull and an eye patch,  
>>>then at
>>>the bottom the greek words "&Mgr;&pgr;&ogr;&rgr;&egr;&iacgr;&tgr;&egr; &ngr;&agr;  
>>>&dgr;&ogr;&kgr;&igr;&mgr;&aacgr;&sgr;&egr;&tgr;&egr; &pgr;&aacgr;&lgr;&igr;: "
>>>
>>>Duane
>>>
>>>Rex Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I thought it might be of interest to note that we are now seeing a
>>>>bombardment of articles and white papers touting SOA, and providing
>>>>models and definitions, which strikes me as very indicative of the
>>>>kind of frenzied activity that we see when a 'buzz' word or concept
>>>>makes the rounds. This is exactly what I meant when I started  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>working
>>>      
>>>
>>>>on my recent series of articles on EA-SOA, Fad or Foundation?
>>>>
>>>>I am not going to post the urls, unless asked since it is a four- 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>part
>>>      
>>>
>>>>series and long enough for a short book by itself and not  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>dedicated to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>SOA per se, and that is not the thrust of this message, which  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>is, to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>be honest counter-intuitive. I would like us to simply hold off on
>>>>pushing forward so vigorously that even if we deliver a spec in  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>record
>>>      
>>>
>>>>time and letter perfect down to its manicured toenails, it will be
>>>>lost in this confusion of "experts" including my own  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>contribution to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>the overall "mess." Also, after having been through several larger
>>>>efforts to build standards for more narrowly focused  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>technologies, I
>>>      
>>>
>>>>begin to distrust anything that hasn't taken at least a year to  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>work
>>>      
>>>
>>>>its way through a vigorous process.
>>>>
>>>>While the editors are to be commended for producing drafts so  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>quickly,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I haven't had the time to properly absorb what is on the agenda for
>>>>today's meeting, let alone what the long term implications and
>>>>ramifications of these definitions and terms actually represent.
>>>>Perhaps as another indication of why I find this whole topic  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>somewhat
>>>      
>>>
>>>>alarming for the rapidity with which it is overtaking both the  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>trade
>>>      
>>>
>>>>press and the IT providers, I am actually getting an online demo  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>of an
>>>      
>>>
>>>>SOA-specific product today, which I won't bother naming since I
>>>>haven't had a chance to view it yet, but the very fact that it  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>pushed
>>>      
>>>
>>>>its way on to my schedule after last week and in time to overlap  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>with
>>>      
>>>
>>>>today's meeting, which I will attend even if I am not actively
>>>>discussing much, supports my point--the hurrier I go the  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>behinder I get.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I think we will do ourselves a favor if we just slow down to a more
>>>>deliberate pace, and let this initial flurry of attention and hype
>>>>subside while we pore over this in a bit more thorough way. I
>>>>recognize that this is unlikely to receive a favorable  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>reception, but
>>>      
>>>
>>>>the faster we go, no matter how thorough we think we are being, the
>>>>more I am convinced that our work will be flawed seriously for  
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>lack of
>>>      
>>>
>>>>enough time for our collection of brains to gain sufficient
>>>>perspective to view our own enterprise here in a more balanced and
>>>>objective way.
>>>>
>>>>However, in the end, what do I know? Not very bleeping much.
>>>>
>>>>Ciao,
>>>>Rex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>X-sbi: accucast
>>>>>Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>From: "Enterprise Applications at TechRepublic.com"
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>>>>>To: rexb@starbourne.com
>>>>>Subject: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rex Brooks
>>>>President, CEO
>>>>Starbourne Communications Design
>>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>>>>Berkeley, CA 94702
>>>>Tel: 510-849-2309
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>--
>>>***********
>>>Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - http:// 
>>>www.adobe.com
>>>Chair - OASIS Service Oriented Architecture Reference Model  
>>>Technical Committee -
>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=soa-rm
>>>Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
>>>Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources - http://www.adobe.com/ 
>>>enterprise/developer/main.html
>>>***********
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>***********
>>Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - http:// 
>>www.adobe.com
>>Chair - OASIS Service Oriented Architecture Reference Model  
>>Technical Committee - http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ 
>>tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=soa-rm
>>Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
>>Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources  - http://www.adobe.com/ 
>>enterprise/developer/main.html
>>***********
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Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - http://www.adobe.com
Chair - OASIS Service Oriented Architecture Reference Model Technical Committee - 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=soa-rm
Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - http://www.unece.org/cefact/
Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources  - http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html
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