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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Identity (Was RE: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices")
Joe, The expedia example is a great one. System architectures deal with this kind of issue by having a default pseudo-principal that is passed around or assumed in the absence of a "real" principle. As important as identity is to most of the enterprise architectures that I encounter on a daily basis, I really am not convinced that the concept belongs in the RM as a core concept. I wouldn't cry into my beer if it was mentioned in passing...just not up there in lights with "Services" and "Policy". -Matt On 9-May-05, at 9:24 PM, Chiusano Joseph wrote: > Matt, > > Interesting thoughts. My first inclination was to say that we could > consider requiring identity as a component of our RM - i.e. in > order to > be in conformance with our RM, identity has to be present in a SOA > "operation" (whatever term we use). > > But what about cases in which a user makes a request anonymously, such > as is done with Web sites? For example, browsing for flights/hotels to > Paris on Expedia.com (like I did today). > > Joe > > Joseph Chiusano > Booz Allen Hamilton > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] >> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:51 PM >> To: Chiusano Joseph >> Cc: SOA-RM >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Identity (Was RE: [soa-rm] Good Recent >> SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices") >> >> Is it true that all future s-o architectures will require identity? >> Can we make that statement? Do we want to make that statement? >> >> -Matt >> On 9-May-05, at 8:48 PM, Chiusano Joseph wrote: >> >> >>> Just wanted to voice my support for incorporating the >>> >> abstract concept >> >>> of identity in our RM. I also note that this abstract >>> >> concept can be >> >>> mapped to multiple concrete concepts, such as Liberty Federated >>> Identity, SAML tokens, etc. (getting the hang of this RM stuff!) >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> Joseph Chiusano >>> Booz Allen Hamilton >>> Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:36 AM >>>> Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data >>>> Model In Your SOA - Best Practices" >>>> >>>> Sally: >>>> >>>> Good catch. Ajay is a voting member of this group and I >>>> >> am sure he >> >>>> can submit them to the member submissions area. >>>> >>>> While we didn't take on the gist of the work due to the >>>> >> fact it was >> >>>> very concrete, the abstract concept of identity is >>>> >> probably at least >> >>>> worth a discussion at some point. Assuming that SOA is a set of >>>> patterns implementable across multiple, unknown >>>> >> environments, there >> >>>> is probably a section in the service description that >>>> >> should be able >> >>>> to make some sort of identity declaration and/or present >>>> >> credentials. >> >>>> >>>> If anyone wants to get into this now, perhaps we should rename the >>>> thread to "Identity". >>>> >>>> Duane >>>> >>>> Sally St. Amand wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Having just read this blog I need to ask if the "identity" >>>>> presentation (made at the F2F) you spoke of on Wed's call >>>>> >>>>> >>>> related to >>>> >>>> >>>>> this same point? I was not at the F2F. Did the presenter >>>>> >> provide a >> >>>>> copy of the slides? >>>>> >>>>> John Harby <jharby@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is an excellent blog entry from Phil: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.looselycoupled.com/blog/lc00aa00096.html >>>>> >>>>> On 5/6/05, Chiusano Joseph wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding a good recent SOA piece[1] for those interested in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> reading it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Covers the notion of an integrated data model as a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> foundational >>>> >>>> >>>>> concept; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> also presents a 6-layer approach to SOA (about mid-article). >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://www.tdan.com/i032ht02.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Joseph Chiusano >>>>>> >>>>>> Booz Allen Hamilton >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *********** >>>> Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - >>>> http://www.adobe.com Chair - OASIS Service Oriented Architecture >>>> Reference Model Technical Committee - >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=soa-rm >>>> Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - >>>> >> http://www.unece.org/cefact/ >> >>>> Adobe Enterprise Developer Resources - >>>> http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/developer/main.html >>>> *********** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
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