RE: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA

["Lublinsky, Boris" <boris.lublinsky@navteq.com>]

Michael,
By definition, ESB is just an intermediary pattern. Based on the fact
that distributed communications are always done over the network, its by
definition is an ESB. On another hand, ESB in order to be useful has to
support some functionality and as a result requires some
software/hardware appliances. Depending on whether you include these
appliances in the enterprise network structure it will or will not act
as an ESB. But then the question is whether other parts of enterprise
IT, applications servers, for example, are part of enterprise network
structure? Where do you draw the line?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Poulin [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Rex Brooks; Ken Laskey; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA

Hi Rex,

I briefly looked at your slides, and No. 8 particularly. I just curious,
why the slide specifies Secure Web Services? Is Web Service the best
technology in this case? Would it be possible having any other interface
to the Secure Services? As we know, presence of Web Services does not
constitute a Service-oriented solution yet. In QCon-2009, people agreed
(not argued) on that the only one really reasonable ESB is the
enterprise network structure, everything else is the most of the time
not needed extra.

Cheers,
- Michael

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
> To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: High-Level Graphic Defn of SOA
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:58:20 -0700
> 
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> I've been using slide 8 of this outline deck for long enough that 
> it seems like forever. Feel free to use it with a citation. It 
> really needs its complement, which details reusability of modular 
> components, but I didn't include that in this particular slide 
> deck. This deck is what I presented to the NCOIC Services Working 
> Group this morning. If anyone doesn't know,  NCOIC stands for 
> Net-Centric Operations Industry Consortium.
> 
> This deck is getting started on the ER pattern that will be one of 
> three included, but not yet scheduled for the 7th SOA for 
> E-Government Conference at MITRE http://federalsoa.wik.is/ I'll be 
> doing this remotely, unless a sponsor turns up. This is one I'd 
> actually like to attend in person, but beggars can't be choosers. 
> I'll probably work on getting a DHS-sponsored OASIS EM TC 
> face-to-face to kick off the EDXL Situation Reporting effort in 
> this same time frame, but it is such short notice that it seems 
> unlikely at best.
> 
> However, I will be casting this pattern in the formal NCOIC 
> template in considerably more detail. You can see the outline at 
>
http://networkcentricity.wik.is/Emergency_Response_%2f%2f_Emergency_Mana
gement_Pattern I will be using the RA, so I'll pass that section by the
SC if I get it done in time. The Common Alerting Protocol-Integrated
Public Alert and Warning System Profile in its 60-Day Public Review is
scheduled to heat up again next week, and talks with Google about
collaborating on an EDXL-Hospital AVailability Exchange project or set
of projects got started yesterday, and the RA plays into that effort as 
> well.
> 
> BTW Allen Jones of Boeing, who works on The Open Group SOA efforts 
> is a member of the Services WG, and I expect we'll be having more 
> conversations moving forward. I mentioned our effort to 
> coordinate/align with TOG and OMG.
> 
> I am in the midst of reviewing the Design Time Services Integration 
> Pattern being worked by Mikael Laby of EADS which provides a model 
> of the NCOIC Pattern template. It appears to be a case where we 
> were put in contact just in time to avoid duplication of effort and 
> leverage our efforts together.
> 
> The theme for the SOA-EGov conference is SOA in Cloud Computing, so 
> I will be pestering Dave to get permission to use some of his 
> diagrams. If it wasn't so much work, this would be sort of 
> exciting, but it iss welcom to get so much more mileage out of the 
> work I was already doing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rex
> 
> > OK folks, here's the challenge.  I was just asked for
> >
> >
> >>
> >> an accessible graphic illustrating the meaning of SOA
> >>
> >
> > Now we've always been graphics challenged but I'm interested to 
> > see if there are any favorites out there.  I can't think of 
> > anything from the RM or RA work.
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
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