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Subject: RE: [stdsreg] some thoughts on the future direction of StdsReg
Dear Colleagues Thank you for starting this debate. First, I would agree we should send the draft (though essentially on more or less a "cold call" basis) for comment to all the SDOs we can find, whether ICT consortia or other. As regards the contacts, I agree this is difficult, though not impossible - our original consortia list five years ago was drawn up in consultation with the organizations, though I suspect the contact information thus obtained is pretty badly outdated (I can try to check this on Thursday when our responsible person re-appears). As Karl says, we MIGHT be able to provide updated contact details for many organizations if we split the task: if all else fails, usually there is some kind of anonymous organizational contact on the web sites anyway. As part of the comment process, we should also elicit information on the likely extent of buy-in to using the end product. The smaller organizations may be more easily able to adapt and use it - eg I have no problem to implement it for our CEN/ISSS Workshop activities, where we have control over how the work programme is presented and we can manage it, but for CEN to implement it for all its thousands of work items would be extremely difficult to say the least, especially given investments in and process for managing data-base technologies. What we need is enough users to demonstrate it by example, even on a trial basis. I am not so keen on the formal adoption of the spec. by a particular SDO (which?). Maybe the resulting connotations of "ownership" might even put some people off? Also, I wonder whether we need any IP protection - I would see this as a kind of "public good". What would actually be far preferable to us is a much wider agenda: that we seek to create an "Association of Standards Consortia" (with formal SDOs as associates). This could promote information exchange, help desk function, and best practice for this and a number of other issues (eg a best practice for consortia IPR policies!), provide a portal and (ultimately) encourage efforts at collaboration to ensure inter-operability. This is an idea we have floated from time to time with different people; of course it would need a resource commitment to create it, but, if we can develop a worthwhile contact base, it might be a good idea to test the waters and see whether enough people out there are interested. Then I think we would need a not-for-profit Association to be formed: this can be done relatively easily even for very small activities in many countries, though obviously the scope and size of the operation would depend on what people are prepared to buy into. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best regards John Ketchell Director, CEN/ISSS - Information Society Standardization System URL:http://www.cenorm.be/isss Rue de Stassart, 36 email (direct) john.ketchell@cenorm.be B-1050 Brussels email (secretariat) isss@cenorm.be Belgium Tel (direct) + 32 2 550 08 46 Fax + 32 2 550 09 66 Tel (secretariat) + 32 2 550 08 13 Tel (GSM) +32 475 594 828 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hager [mailto:BHager@ansi.org] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 22:19 To: 'Standards Registry Mail List' Cc: Bob Feghali Subject: RE: [stdsreg] some thoughts on the future direction of StdsReg Thanks for this, Karl. With regard to identifying SDOs, we have been working on developing a comprehensive SDOs database for the NSSN which could be a great starting point for the comprehensive list of SDOs. This takes into account the CEN/ISS list and others. As Em pointed out at the Interop Summit, we need to get to the middle level people - the ones who deal with the metadata on a day-to-day basis. It's still on my list to give a status report to ANSI SDOs via our Organization Member Council and other ANSI governance bodies. Regarding ANSI hosting the StndsReg site, I've spoken to our IT Director and I'll soon get your IT people in touch with ours to work on the details. Regards, Bob H. -----Original Message----- From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:08 AM To: stdsreg Subject: [stdsreg] some thoughts on the future direction of StdsReg For the past couple of days I've been at the Interoperability Summit in Orlando, where I presented, together with Bob Hager, the status of the StdsReg project. I also had the chance to chat with Makx Dekkers and Em delaHostria, a couple of our StdsReg participants who were in attendence. After these chats and further thinking prompted by some of the discussions and presentations at the meeting, I've been trying to come up with some ideas regarding our future direction. We're nearing completion of the StdsReg metadata spec (many thanks to Bob, Makx, and others who have contributed technically), and should start thinking about where we're going from here. (I'm sending these ideas out via this email list to prompt some discussion; our meeting attendence has been dropping, and I'd like to get some input from those of you on the list who haven't been able to attend lately. Please consider this an invitation to respond to and discuss these topics.) I propose that as soon as we have a final draft we feel comfortable with that we send it out for public review. The goal of the review is to find out if the spec will adequately describe the work of SDOs. Therefore, the audience for this review is SDOs, and not vendors. As such, we need to compile a list of SDOs and contact information for the appropriate person at each SDO. I will need help from all of you in compiling this list. I'm aware of a couple lists of SDOs (e.g. at CEN/ISSS) but don't know of any that include contact information. After sending out the spec for review, getting feedback, evaulating this feedback and using it to improve the spec, then giving final approval to the spec by this committee, we will still have two tasks ahead of us: first, promoting the adoption of the spec, and second, (optionally) seeking to have the spec approved by some SDO. For the first, how do we promote the adoption of the spec by organizations that currently, or could potentially in the future, list standards information? We already have interested organizations represented within our commmittee (ANSI, CEN, OASIS, Diffuse) that have committed to or will probably implement the spec. How do we promote its use at other organizations? And for the second, do we see the need for approval of the spec by an SDO? I suspect that this would be useful in driving the adoption of the spec, but which SDO should we submit to? Related to that is the standing of our currently ad hoc committee. Should this committee seek to become part of an SDO, or are we happy remaining independent, with our own process and with no IP protection? I have resisted suggestions coming from within my own organization that StdsReg should become an OASIS technical committee on the grounds that that would require you all to join OASIS in order to participate. Is there an organization that we could (or should!) belong to that would allow open participation, provide us with IP protection, and provide a path for approval of the spec by some (de juere?) SDO? (Note that because StdsReg is not an OASIS TC and therefore not covered by the OASIS IP policy I have been asked by my Board to move the StdsReg web page and email list off the OASIS servers. ANSI has been kind enough to offer to take their turn at this hosting; we will make the move very soon. I'll discuss this further on the next concall.) I've suggested these items for discussion in hopes of getting some feedback from those of you interested in the future direction of this effort. I'm got my own feelings on some of these, but would prefer to get your ideas so that we can all together make some of these important decisions. Please respond! </karl> ================================================================= Karl F. Best OASIS - Director, Technical Operations +1 978.667.5115 x206 karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- The archive of this mail list is available at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/stdsreg/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> ---------------------------------------------------------------- The archive of this mail list is available at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/stdsreg/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
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