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Subject: TAG TC 2010-08-03 Meeting Minutes
Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC Teleconference Meeting Logistics: ---------- Tuesday 2pm (PDT), 21:00Z, 3 August 2010 Host confcall: Fujitsu US Toll Free: 877-995-3314 US Toll/International: 210-339-1806 Passcode: 9589308 Attendance and Quorum --------------------- MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE 4/5 Voting Members attending: 4/5 requirement for quorum was satisfied * Jacques Durand, Chair (Fujitsu) * Dennis Hamilton, Secretary (Individual) * Frederick Boland (NIST) * Paul Rank (Oracle) [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (4)] MEMBERS ABSENT Dale Moberg (Axway Software) Youngkon Li (Individual) Kyoung_Rog Yi (National IT Industry Promotion Agency, Korea) = Patrick Curran (Oracle) * Kevin Looney (Oracle) Dmitry Kostovarov, (Oracle) Victor Rudometov, (Oracle) Hyunbo Cho (Pohang University of Science & Technology) [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (1) =: Persistent non-Voting Member at start and conclusion of meeting (1)] APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201006/msg00020.html> The 2010-06-23 Meeting Minutes were approved without objection APPROVAL OF AGENDA < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201007/msg00001.html> The agenda was followed, along with notes provided for background by Jacques Durand as part of a meeting reminder, < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201008/msg00000.html>. Agenda: 1. Review of TA Model, rev 4 (see uploaded 2010-06-16, src & pdf) <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38313> 2. Review of TA Guidelines, CD04-rev2 (uploaded 2010-07-02) < http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38520> 3. Review of TA Markup, rev 4 (see uploads 6/16, src & pdf) <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38314> <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=38315> 3. administrative matters: - meeting notes approval (June 23) - JIRA issue tracker. - next PR plans. ACTION ITEMS AI1-Aug3: [Jacques] Propose closing of completed Action Items to the TC list. AI2-Aug3: [Jacques] Upload new TA Markup Schema by August 10. AI1-June23: [Kevin] Review the guidelines to see if there is a need for more alignment now that the model document has been refined. AI2-June23: [Jacques] Add some information to the Model and the Guidelines concerning the description element and how it should be used. AI3-June23: [Jacques] Note that the UML diagram must change on test set to align with the change in language. AI4-June23 [Jacques] Update the XML Schema for the Markup to reflect the changes being made. AI5-June23 [Jacques] Repost the documents as they are at the end of June. AI6-June23 [Jacques] Determine whether Guidelines need to provide advice/examples and references to finer details within the Model AI1-June9: [Jacques] Revise the components on JIRA and add list of versions that can be used in the Applies Version and Fix Version pull-downs on JIRA. AI2-June9: [Jacques] Create an issue on the Normative Source Structure and how we propose to simplify it. AI1-May25: [All] Review the direction taken in TA Model CD01-rev02 in preparation for approving the updated conformance section and the approach to providing semantics in the TA Model on the next call (tbd after June 8). AI2-May25: [Jacques] will upload a more-complete version of TAML showing the RelaxNG usage. AI3-May25: [Jacques] upload an update of the TA Model draft AI4-May25: [All] Look over Normative Source and RefSourceItems, TextSourceItems, DerivedSourceItems for Section 3, how semantics are placed, and how the changes are working before Jacques continues in a week. AI5-May25: [Jacques] Determine workable call time and date for the first call in June. AI1-May11: [Jacques] check with Patrick Curran about when his leave ends AI2-May11: *Done* [Jacques] create a standing "TAG Promotion" item in the agenda AI1-Apr27: [Dennis] to investigate "Compact" RelaxNG for our Markup syntax. [Jacques finds this tutorial: http://www.relaxng.org/compact-tutorial-20030326.html] [Dennis since found a compact form used in a W3C specification, adding it to TAG-4, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201005/msg00014.html] AI2-Apr27: *Done* [Jacques] to check the JIRA page, possible re-configuration, add Dennis as authorized user. AI1-Mar30: [Jacques] follow-up with Dave P. on his comments, to make sure we address them correctly. AI3-Mar30: [Jacques] Contact W3C test team to remind them of PR, calling for comments. AI4-Mar30: [Kevin] Contact Oracle internally to confirm they know about the PR (folks who contacted him) AI5-Mar30: [Dennis] Investigate RDF possible representation for the TA Model. (ontologies / OWL?) 1. TA MODEL REVIEW Jacques provided a quick review of changes already in the model. Overall, there are no objections to the direction. Open questions have to do with the Description component of Test Assertions and with the need to update figures to be consistent with the text and changes being made. Test Assertion Diagram: The language attribute is missing. Test Assertion Set: The structure around Test Assertion Selection needs to be introduced, With TA Selector going away. Shared Model seems all right. Test Assertion Reference is now very simple and different, but maybe diagram can simply go away. Test Assertion Document Header may be at or over the line about what is needed as model. The diagram may also be unnecessary. Jacques or Stephen will fix the diagrams. Visual Paradigm is needed to work on them as they are currently constructed. NEXT STEPS: Have a complete new draft with updated diagrams in two weeks. 2. TA GUIDELINES REVIEW Again, there are no objections to the direction of the changes. The open topic is what should appear in the guidelines with regard to the new Description component in the Test Assertion Model. What's being considered is having the Description component show in the diagram and be described in the Optional Parts subsection, but with no use of it in exemplary material. Jacques will craft something. There is also an insertion in the discussion on Normative Source. It is unclear whether more is needed. 3. TEST ASSERTION MARKUP REVIEW Jacques will upload a new schema. The main job is to align the schema with the latest proposed changes to the TA Markup. Jacques provided further details in his note preceding the meeting, <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201008/msg00000.html>. 4. NEXT PUBLIC REVIEW AND FURTHER STEPS The goal is to have updated revisions that can be approved as Committee Draft candidates for Public Review. Jacques is thinking that a 30-day second review might be better than a 15-day, because of the amount of changed material. With regard to achieving Committee specifications and submission for ratification as OASIS Standards, we believe there are enough uses of the model to find three OASIS members who have applied the model. There are three candidates for TA Model statements of use, but having more candidates would be worthwhile there too. Jacques also outline for us changes to the OASIS process that will go into effect on October 15, presumably for new standards. It is not clear whether those will impact our already-underway effort. The differences are mainly ones of timing: all public reviews to be 30 days and the review time for OASIS standard candidates is expanded to 60 days. 5. NEXT MEETING The next call will be on TUESDAY August 17. - Dennis E. Hamilton
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