RE: TAX XML BASC

[john.glaubitz@vertexinc.com]

Greetings,

I'm forwarding the attached email trail between David Chambers from the H M
Customs & Excise in the United Kingdom and myself regarding some initial
analysis he's done on the process model for Indirect Taxes that was
submitted to TASC (this model has subsequently been attached to BASC).
David is working on becoming a member of TaxXML and BASC and in the interim
has been willing to attend our calls and contribute his insights.

During the last Tax XML conference call on Dec 11, we discussed the
opportunity to perform reviews of external specifications to evaluate their
handling of tax information.  Two of the potential specifications before us
are the UBL and OAGIS schemas that involve indirect taxes.  In order to
perform a proper evaluation, the BASC would need to have completed
sufficient analysis and specification on indirect taxes. It was generally
agreed during the call that BASC could concentrate its efforts in this area
in the near term, particularly since we had a good start on a vocabulary
document and process model related to indirect taxes.  This topics is on
the agenda to be discussed during today's BASC conference call.

I'd like to invite additional review and comment on this model from the
rest of the group so that we can continue to refine the content and
hopefully have a well articulated model in hand by the San Francisco
meeting.  The model is available on the OASIS site, but I've attached here
as well.

For my part, I'll continue the dialog by addressing Davids observation that
the advise is in the wrong direction.  It appears that this is simply a
matter of not being specific enough in the naming of this object.  The
model refers to a despatch advise, while David is referring to a receipt
advise.   This also points up the value of the vocabulary and more complete
doucumentation behind the model.  One of the artifacts from UBL addresses
this process and provides some definition for the related terms.  This
document could be a good reference for us since UBL describes the business
transaction that gives rise to the indirect tax.  I'll attach this document
to the BASC site.

Thanks
John

(See attached file: Indirect%20Taxation.pdf)

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John,

I have not as yet managed to review the Tax XML BASC vocabulary.

I have started to look at the Procedure document (PDF) with a view to
adding
to it.

The first thing that strikes me is that on the diagram "process invoice" in
the customer is shown as feeding "Accounts Receivable" and "Accounts
Receivable" in turn is shown as processing the payment.

This should be "Accounts Payable" in the customer, the customer is buying
the invoiced supplies, the customers accounts payable department will
process the incoming invoice and will generate the payment to the supplier.

Accounts receivable will be a function in the supplier dealing with
invoices
issued to customers and payments from customers against those invoices.,

The second thing is that the arrow through "advice" to "process payment"
may
well be in the wrong direction.

The supplier advises the customer of the payment due by sending the
invoice.
The customer sends a remittance advice and payment to the supplier.

The arrow should be from Customer processing payment to remittance advice
to
the supplier. At the supplier it should not end in "generate advice" but in
"accounts receivable".

Once I have finalised the additions I hope to make to the PDF procedure
document, I will forward it to you as there may be other points to emerge
from that, but I wanted to point the above two significant points straight
away.

I hope this is helpful.

Kind Regards,

Dave Chambers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chambers, Dave {LBG, Reading, CAS South}
Sent: 16 December 2003 12:34
To: 'john.glaubitz@vertexinc.com'
Subject: RE: TAX XML BASC


John,

Thank you for your email.

I should have explained that in the UK, the Inland Revenue is responsible
for direct taxation, whereas H M Customs & Excise is responsible for
Indirect Taxation. Payroll tax and Company Income tax therefore falls under
the Inland Revenue, whereas Customs Duties, Excise Duties and (most
significantly for E Commerce) Value Added Tax (VAT) falls under H M Customs
& Excise.

I am currently working on authority for H M Customs & Excise to subscribe
to
OASIS. As soon as I have secured this authority, I will join OASIS Tax XML
TC and (either) the BASC (and/or) the TASC.

Thank you also for sending the documents. I look forward to speaking with
you on Thursday.

Kind Regards,

David Chambers.

-----Original Message-----
From: john.glaubitz@vertexinc.com [mailto:john.glaubitz@vertexinc.com]
Sent: 16 December 2003 12:20
To: Chambers, Dave {LBG, Reading, CAS South}
Subject: Re: TAX XML BASC



David,

First of all, I'm glad to hear of your interest in helping to develop the
ontology for the Tax XML TC.  Certainly, the more varied input we can bring
to the table in this effort will result in a better and more complete
result.

To be part of the discussion and to gain access to the documentation it
would be best if you joined the Tax XML TC and also joined the BASC
and/TASC sub committees either as a member or an observer.  In that way,
you'll automatically receive emails of meeting announcements and new
document postings as well as have access to the OASIS site.  In the
meantime, I'll attach the documents you requested.  Is the H M Customs and
Excise in the United Kingdom a separate organization from the Inland
Revenue (sorry for my ignorance)?   If not, you should be able to join
right away.

The information for the next conference call on Dec. 18 is:

Phone Number 613-954-9003 for local (Canada) and international calls and
1-888-265-0903 for all calls from USA
The login code is 4911#

Please let me know if you have any questions on the attached documents
(please keep in mind that these are working documents).  I look forward to
speaking with you this Thursday.

Regards,

John Glaubitz
Vertex Inc.

 (See attached file: TaxXML
 Vocabulary V1[1].2.zip)(See attached
 file: Indirect%20Taxation.pdf)









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                      12/15/2003 12:35 PM









John,

Please may I introduce myself, my name is Dave Chambers. I work for H M
Customs & Excise in the United Kingdom.

I am currently trying to become a member of OASIS TAX XML TC. In the mean
time, I participated as an Observer in the OASIS Tax XML TC TASC conference
call on 19th November 2003 and in the full OASIS Tax XML TC conference call
on 11th December 2003.

Following the 19th November 2003 call, Andy Greener advised that if I was
interested in the "Ontology" developments, I would be advised to
participate
in the BASC conference call on 18th December 2003. Andy suggested that I
ask
you for details of this call. It would assist me greatly if you would
advise
me of the telephone number and the access code for the call, please.

Please may I also trouble you for a copy of the notes for the BASC
conference call on 20th November 2003?

During your BASC update on 11th December 2003, you suggested that an
Indirect Tax vocabulary and a First Cut process model for Indirect taxes
existed. I asked Andy Greener about these and he suggested that you had
been
referring to work done by Vertex. Would it be possible for me to see a copy
of the vocabulary and the model, please?

Thank you in advance for your assistance. I look forward to hearing from
you.

Kind Regards,

Dave Chambers
H M Customs & Excise
Computer Audit Service - Reading
Eldon Court
75 London Road
Reading
RG1 5BS
United Kingdom

Telephone:         +44(0) 118 908 4346
Fax:                     +44(0) 118 908 4209
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