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Subject: RE: [tgf] RE: EU CAMSS specification and TGF



Yes please go ahead as we agreed on the call yesterday.  Just to remind you, attached is the proposal I made to Riku after my meeting with him so please bear that in mind with what you produce.




From: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:tgf@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Colin Wallis
Sent: 02 August 2012 02:48
To: 'Peter F Brown'; 'TGF TC List'
Subject: [tgf] RE: EU CAMSS specification and TGF


Sorry that I didn’t see this before the call, but agree with your suggestion Peter.

Is that what we agreed to on the call? I remember it being briefly discussed but with no reference material and still waking up, I can’t recall the outcome.




From: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:tgf@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Peter F Brown
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012 5:20 a.m.
To: 'TGF TC List'
Subject: [tgf] EU CAMSS specification and TGF


Hi all,

I had hoped to send this note out sooner, my apologies


As we have discussed on previous occasions, the European Commission ISA team have approved a “Common Assessment Method for Standards and Specifications” (CAMSS, https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/fpfis/mwikis/idabc-camss/) and we have discussed with ISA about bringing that effort into OASIS.


We haven’t had the formal green-light and hand over from the European Commission yet but I think that we could usefully cast CAMSS in the same mould as the TGF pattern language: high-level, structured statements that give guidance and checklists of what issues need to be addressed, whilst stopping short of firm criteria or conformance clauses that may be unworkable (This might indeed be a template for other related efforts, such as public admin cloud requirements, OpenData, etc.)


I would like to suggest that today’s TC approve the following action: that I take responsibility to draw up a rough outline of what a new TC spec might look like (“TGF Patterns for CAMSS”) for the next TC meeting. By that time, we should have feedback from the Commission and/or Deloitte (as their contractor) and a green light to accept the formal CAMSS specification as a Contributor input to our TC – and we can then flesh out the outline into a formal working draft based on officially receiving the work.


This would not only keep the momentum up but may actually help Deloitte and the Commission by giving them a flavour of what the target work might look like.






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Hello Riku


It was very good to meet you yesterday in Brussels.  As promised I’ve set out below my thoughts on how we might proceed with incorporating CAMSS into the OASIS Transformational Government Framework and through this help you meet the sustainability objectives of CAMSS.


Option 1

The quick and easy option is for us to include a recommendation for CAMSS in our Policy Product Matrix in the same way as we have done for ADMS, see https://wiki.oasis-open.org/tgf/cell%20Technical%20Management/Semantic .   Whilst this would give good visibility to CAMSS it would not achieve the sustainability that you require as the Method and Library would still need to be maintained by the Commission.  We could do this as an interim step whilst you consult on the other options listed below?


Option 2 – Sustainability of the Method

This option would perhaps provide the better long term process.  It would require the EC contributing the CAMSS Method to the OASIS TGF TC in accordance with the OASIS IPR Policy, see https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr#contributions .  To do this someone from the Commission, or their authorized representative, would need to join the TGF TC and formally contribute the Method.  The TC could then either accept that version and include it in the TGF as just a Method for use by EU Member States, or as we discussed yesterday use it as a basis for producing a more global Method which may mean some changes would be necessary to your current version.  Whichever version is produced, ie an EU or a global version, it becomes the property of OASIS in accordance with the IPR policy and if the Commission wanted to make changes at any time in the future they would have to be negotiated within the TC.


This option does however have the benefit of allowing for the Method to become a formal Specification under the OASIS TC procedures and therefore it would be maintained and made available by OASIS thus providing you with a long term sustainable path.  And one further point that may be of interest to you.  It is our longer intention to take the TGF into ISO and make it an ISO Standard and when we achieve that it would of course cement the long term of the TGF.  We do not currently have a timescale for this as we need a good deal of adoption of the TGF before we can take that step.


Option 3 – Sustainability of the Library

As I said yesterday OASIS would not be in a position to provide a sustainable path for the Library so the Commission would need to look after that aspect themselves.  But just one thought to reflect on.  If we produce a global version of the Method within the OASIS TC there will be a need for a global Library and presumably the Commission would not want to open up their Library for global usage?  So between us we would need to look for another alternative for hosting the Library which could/should include migrating the Commission’s version to it. 


In summary I would favour Option 2 and my OASIS TC producing a global version of CAMSS but we would need to address the Library problem.  Perhaps there are other options you wish to consider, if so please let me know.


I look forward to hearing from you further.




John Borras


Chair OASIS TGF Technical Committee


m. +(0)44 7976 157745

Skype:  gov3john




From: John Borras [mailto:johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 June 2012 15:37
To: 'Riku.JYLHANKANGAS@ec.europa.eu'
Cc: 'peter@peterfbrown.com'
Subject: RE: CAMSS and OASIS TGF


Hello Riku


This is great news and I look forward to meeting you on Monday at the SEMIC conference.





From: Riku.JYLHANKANGAS@ec.europa.eu [mailto:Riku.JYLHANKANGAS@ec.europa.eu]
Sent: 15 June 2012 15:24
To: peter@peterfbrown.com
Cc: johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: RE: CAMSS and OASIS TGF




Thanks for your mail. We have had 2 meetings with Member States and they have now endorsed the revised CAMSS. It's available online: https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/fpfis/mwikis/idabc-camss/


Member States also were in favour of the option of collaboration with Oasis. I think we could now discuss a bit about the details (first at the SEMIC conference) and then do a short 1-2 pages draft proposal for our hierarchy for decisions.


So I would be very happy to discuss this further with John on Monday.


Have a nice weekend!

Best regards,
Riku Jylhänkangas

Programme manager - EU policies
European Commission
Directorate-General for Informatics (DIGIT)
Interoperability Solutions for European Public Administrations (ISA)
Rue Montoyer 34 3/88, B-1049 Brussels
Tel. +32 2 29 51854 E-mail: isa@ec.europa.eu


From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@peterfbrown.com]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:37 AM
Cc: John Borras (johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk)
Subject: CAMSS and OASIS TGF
Importance: High


Hi Riku,

Just a quick note to see how things are moving with regard to CAMSS.

When we last spoke, you mentioned that the project would in a matter of weeks be considering future actions, including the possibility of bringing this work to OASIS for formal standardization.

Are you any closer to a decision? Is there anything further that we can do to help you?


As you may know, my colleague John Borras will be at the SEMIC event in Brussels next week and would be happy to meet with you to discuss this further, at your convenience.


Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions or concerns


Best regards,



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