Re: [tgf] RE: TGF Patterns for the IoT Committee Note

[John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>]

Nig et al

Thanks to all for the exchanges so far.  I've made a few observations in the attached and I think what this exercise has done for me has highlighted what is it we are trying to do with this Committee Note.  Are we trying to say how to use each of the closely related patterns in an IoT context or are we trying to highlight just the new issues that the IoT brings into play. 

For me it's the latter and to that end I think we need some general preamble up front saying most of the patterns apply as is, with perhaps some short examples, and then just highlighting the small number, maybe 3 or 4, where there are some specific new issues brought in by the IoT, eg data usage and privacy, stakeholder engagement, technology management.

The CN needs to be short and sharp and I'm sure if we get into writing too much about too many patterns we'll end up with something that is far too long.  So let's focus on just the IoT issues IMO.

Getting agreement on this point will help resolve the points raised by Mark, Hans and Chris, so views please.

John

From: Greenaway Nigel <Nig.Greenaway@uk.fujitsu.com>
To: Chris Parker <chris.parker@cstransform.com>; TGF TC List <tgf@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2014, 9:19
Subject: [tgf] RE: TGF Patterns for the IoT Committee Note

Hi Chris,

                Thanks for your comments.

 

No I don’t think that there are gaps in the TGF – indeed I think it has stood up to the test very well. What I produced are working notes without too much consideration of the wording (apologies for that). The aspects that I have mentioned under ‘IoT Delta’ are  those where I feel this CN needs to say something – primarily by building on what the TGF already says but applying it a little more closely and overtly to the IoT aspects. In a sense this could be seen as being as profile of the TGF.

 

 

Regards

 

Nig

 

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From: Chris Parker [mailto:chris.parker@cstransform.com]
Sent: 04 August 2014 14:00
To: Greenaway Nigel; TGF TC List
Subject: RE: TGF Patterns for the IoT Committee Note

 

Nig

 

Thanks for doing this.  There’s lots of great stuff here, and in general I think all the issues you’ve identified are important  and, other than some detail we can address when we get to detailed drafting, I think the recommendations are on the right lines.

 

What concerns me though is the sense that all of these issues and recommendations are missing from the existing TGF; that this content is about ‘filling gaps’ in some sense.  Is that what you had in mind by “IoT Delta”? 

 

Because that’s not the way I see it.  While the TGF doesn’t explicitly discuss IoT in much detail, we very much had it in mind when drafting many of the patterns.  And I think we should take the general stance that the TGF as it stands is a valuable tool for organisations wishing to manage effectively in an IoT environment (while also talking the opportunity of this Committee Note to do further due diligence and highlight any issues that are not fully addressed in TGF).  

 

That’s why my suggested format for this committee note started by looking at relevant patterns and explaining why they are already relevant to the IoT. In many places, the  “IoT delta” sections of your note identify issues which I think are already identified explicitly in the relevant TGF pattern, albeit in slightly different wording, and similarly many of the recommendations are already TGF recommendations.    So I found it difficult to disentangle which elements of your note were new.

 

Happy to give examples of this if that would be helpful.  Or is this also how you see things, and simply planned to bring in the “how TGF already addresses” this element back in during the next phase?

 

Regards,

 

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From: tgf@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:tgf@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Greenaway Nigel
Sent: 03 August 2014 11:17
To: TGF TC List
Subject: [tgf] TGF Patterns for the IoT Committee Note

 

Hi All,

        As discussed on our call on 24/7, here is a note containing bullet points for each of the patterns identified in section 3.

 

                       

 

As stated in the note I think the next actions are for everyone to look at the issues raised under ‘IoT Delta’ headings and

1)      agree that they are indeed issues

2)      agree that they are in the right place

3)      Identify any further issues that we should address in the CN.

 

Then, we need to look at the recommendations, comment upon them and identify any further ones.

 

I did originally offer to attempt to draft the full patterns for review by our meeting on 21^st August. I don’t think that will be possible given the need for the TC to comment on this note and my other commitments. Thus, I suggest that we aim to have this note (including a full set of recommendations) agreed by the end of that meeting. I hope that is acceptable.

 

In either case, I would appreciate comments as requested above ASAP and, wherever possible, I will incorporate them into a further issue of this note.

 

 

 

Regards

 

Nig

 

Nig Greenaway

Fujitsu Fellow

 

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