RE: [xtm-wg] Nominations for invited guests

["Eric Freese" <eric@isogen.com>]

As de facto parliamentarian I'll take a stab at this:

1) The 2/3 majority is enough to carry the motion, no matter how more no
votes are received.  12 yes votes from participating members are all that is
required.

2) The charter says that Ontopia can have only one Participating Member
(3.5.2).  In speaking about people who change employer, section 3.5.5 says:

"A change of employer shall not automatically cancel such an individual's
access to meetings or ability to contribute work, however; such an
individual shall have the option of retaining the status of Advisory Member
unless otherwise decided by an absolute majority of the Participating
Members."

I read that to say that 2 of the 3 Ontopians (apparently Kal and Ann based
on Steve P.'s note) can elect to retain Advisory Member status and have done
so.  The sentence also says that this change does not cancel access to
meetings or ability to contribute work.

However, the definition of Advisory Members (section 2.3) states:

"Advisory Members may advise the TopicMaps.Org Authoring Group (AG), but
they may not directly participate in conference calls or face-to-face
meetings unless invited as guests (see section 3.6.3)."

Having said this, in my opinion, Steve P., Kal and Ann (all having held
Participating Member status in the past) should be allowed to attend the
meetings. Ontopia, as an organization, shall have only 1 Participating
Member vote.  A similar issue is how Ontopia employee votes are handled
within the subcommittees:  This should be left to the chairs of the
individual subcommittees based on the rules within the charter (section 7).

I defer to Steve N. and Michel to make the final ruling.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Park [mailto:jackpark@verticalnet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:10 AM
> To: xtm-wg@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [xtm-wg] Nominations for invited guests
>
>
> Well, that's interesting.  Before this arrived, I sent out, following
> Daniel's example, a statement that Bernard had been
> confirmed.  Now, I'll
> have to ask those who know better what one NO vote means.
>
> Plus which, I must ask about the appropriateness of Ontopia
> having three
> members of their technical staff attending meetings at the
> same time.  I
> agree that all of those individuals are valuable, and I
> strongly believe
> that Bernard will be equally as valuable to the committee. I
> confess. Now, I
> am confused.
>
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Pepper <pepper@ontopia.net>
> To: <xtm-wg@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:28 AM
> Subject: [xtm-wg] Nominations for invited guests
>
>
> > At 13:39 05/01/01 -0500, Jack wrote:
> > >For now, I'll appeal publically to those
> > >who do not see their name listed, but who are voting
> members of the AG to
> > >give us a Yes for Bernard.
> >
> > Michel wrote:
> > >I remind you that a vote is due for inviting David Steinberg.
> >
> > Sorry not to get back on this earlier. I've been very torn. However,
> > having discussed the matter with Kal and Ann (as I understand the
> > rules, we only have one vote between us), I have decided to vote
> > against both Bernard and David for this meeting.
> >
> > I am rather concerned about the state of XTM and think the
> Paris meeting
> > will be crucial. I believe we still don't have consensus on
> the basic
> > specification, and therefore I don't think this is the right time to
> > bring in new people. We had a moratorium on new members
> until delivery
> > of 1.0; in my opinion that still holds.
> >
> > I voted for Chris Angus because he has already been active (on the
> > conceptual modelling subgroup) and I think his input will
> therefore be
> > required in Paris.
> >
> > I do not know Bernard and David, and certainly have nothing against
> > them personally. Based on Jack's and Michel's
> recommendations I would
> > be more than happy to vote for them to attend the first
> meeting *after*
> > finalizing the 1.0 spec. Hopefully that will be the meeting
> in Austin,
> > but we won't know until after Paris.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --
> > Steve Pepper, Chief Technology Officer <pepper@ontopia.net>
> > Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Information Association)
> > Ontopia AS, Maridalsveien 99B, N-0461 Oslo, Norway
> > http://www.ontopia.net/  phone://+47 90827246/
> >
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