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Subject: [xtm-wg] alternative to "real-world"
I have suggested in a previous post to get rid to any reference to "real-world" in the specification. Steve P. asked me (in a private answer) if I had some alternative proposition. I'm glad to be able to answer : yes, I have some :o) First a short recall of why we should get rid of the "real-world" expression. There is a basic and unrebuttable reason : nobody knows what that means. Despite centuries of desperate efforts of thousands of thinkers, philosophers, scientists ... no consensus definition has ever been found for the meaning of this expression. So "real-world" is at best a "subject of discourse". As such, its reality is backed by the billions of pages written about it. I was struck a few months ago, at the very beginning of my interventions on this list, by a remark of Ann Wrightson, that the real world we deal with was living mostly in our computers. This remark is IMO fundamental. The more we live with computers, the more we consider that the "most real things" are the informations the system can handle, and that's what the notion of "reification" is all about : To make things real, that is to be able to handle them, we have to transform them in system objects ... So I think we have two levels of reality to deal with : the human discourse level, and the system representation level. Forget about anything else. Forget about the debate if subjects of human discourse "represent" any "thing" at all. In fact, if you look to it with close attention, most of the naming and language activity starts by creating names, and then investigate what these names may mean :) We all agree "freedom" "trust" "friendship" "democracy" "nature" are subjects *living at the discourse level* (and well alive at this level). Do we need - to represent them in the system - to settle the question of knowing if they represent anything at all outside the discourse level ? Do we need to refer even as something "conceived" in people's brain ? Definitely not, and that is a good thing. Forget about "conceive" and "real-world". All we have to know about subjects is what people say or write or draw or even sing or compose about them, and how those same people or other ones say these subjects are related to each other, and where to find all information about all that. All that is discourse, discourse, only discourse ... that's great ! Given all that, what shall we write as an introduction to subjects and topics ? I propose the following : "A Topic is a system representation of a subject of discourse, hereafter called "subject". A subject is anything people are able to name, speak, write or exchange by any means information about. Through discourse, people create relationships between subjects. A Topic represents in the system those different aspects of the subject : names given to the subject, information resources about it - called occurrences - and relationships with other subjects - called roles in associations. The process through which a Topic is created to represent a subject is called "reification" of the subject." This formulation is avoiding any reference to anything else than discourse level and system level. Have a nice day ... out there in the real world :)) Bernard --------------------------------------- Bernard Vatant bernard@universimmedia.com www.universimmedia.com "Building Knowledge" --------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/337252/_/981536874/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> To Post a message, send it to: xtm-wg@eGroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: xtm-wg-unsubscribe@eGroups.com
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