RE: [topicmaps-comment] RE: OASIS vs W3C

["Mason, James David (MXM) " <mxm@ornl.gov>]

For the present, I guess I am the acting ISO/OASIS liaison in this area
(there are other liaisons in other areas). One of the things we need to
consider is how formal we want to have the liaison. 

We can do informal liaison as much as we want by having joint membership and
sharing distribution of documents.

We can also establish formal liaison (as ISUG long ago did) by submitting a
request to SC34 (if we want to do that, I can work with Eric on proceedures)
and having ISO ballot it.

(Someone else should handle the W3C, someone from a company with
membership.)

It's up to the group.

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Sam Hunting [SMTP:sam_hunting@yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:03 AM
> To:	Tsao, Scott; 'Murray Altheim'
> Cc:	'Bernard Vatant'; topicmaps-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject:	RE: [topicmaps-comment] RE: OASIS vs W3C
> 
> I understand that James Mason is the technical liaison between ISO and
> the Oasis effort? If that is so, presumably he is aware of these
> efforts?
> 
> S.
> 
> --- "Tsao, Scott" <scott.tsao@Boeing.com> wrote:
> > > From: Murray Altheim
> > 
> > > Please give an example of how the proposed TCs in the topic map
> > space are
> > somehow overlapping with work going on in other standards bodies. I
> > don't
> > see it. RDF, DAML+OIL, XTM, CG, all are *different* technologies, are
> > aimed
> > at performing *different* tasks, and have *different* fundamental
> > assumptions.
> > What all the hubbub has been about (like "RDF vs. XTM") is seeing how
> > these
> > technologies can produce synergies when used together. There's no
> > good reason
> > to eliminate or combine them, and lots of good reasons to see how
> > they can
> > work together [...]
> > 
> > I think you are speaking from a "technologist's" perspective, not
> > necessarily from
> > an "end-user's or implementor's" perspective.  I see a need to align
> > those (seemingly)
> > competing technologies in terms of a coherent architectural framework
> > for (semantic)
> > web applications, with details of "usage patterns" or "best
> > practices" to elaborate
> > those "good reasons to see how they can work together."
> > 
> > > There's nothing random about it. TCs are started where there is a
> > perceived
> > need. And I have no idea where you'd get the impression that the
> > OASIS board
> > is composed of standards-clueless people. Everyone on that board is
> > to my
> > knowledge very well-acquainted with the ongoing activities in ISO,
> > W3C and 
> > OASIS [...]
> > 
> > That will be good, and I was just sharing my perception which may
> > prove to be my
> > (personal) ignorance.  I wonder how many large corporations (in the
> > standards user,
> > not vendor community) are as efficient as Sun in terms of
> > coordinating their
> > participations in various standards bodies.
> >  
> > > Perhaps Boeing will start to re-evaluate the "true value" it gets
> > out of
> > participating in standards activities. I don't see where you can
> > speak
> > for other companies and how they allocate their standards
> > participation
> > resources. We're all trimming back, and we *are* the majority
> > participants
> > in the standards bodies, so nobody should pretend that there is some
> > other
> > "they" out there.
> > 
> > As I disclaimed (as "personal knothole") I did not intend (or
> > pretend) to speak
> > for The Boeing Company, let alone any other companies.  Please do not
> > misunderstand
> > (or misrepresent) what I said.
> > 
> > > You've slung a lot of arrows Scott, and I'm not sure why. Many of
> > them
> > seem unwarranted and personal. If Boeing has some reason to want to 
> > undermine the legitimacy of the OASIS process, let's air the
> > grievances
> > with some specifics, but please don't disparage the necessary process
> > by 
> > which our community has obtained to begin rebuilding.
> > 
> > Again, please DO NOT misinterpret what I said!
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
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