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Subject: RE: [ubl-comment] FreightCreditNote?
Good evening, Guido.The UBL TC has discussed your submission to the UBL Comment List and tracked it with this ticket:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-23?filter=12972We have analyzed our own use of the CreditNote for the Invoice and determined that the two documents are so very close that probably we should not have made them separate documents in the first place. We need to preserve backward compatibility and maintain the CreditNote, though we have found this is proving to have its own shortcomings as noted in this ticket:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-18?filter=12972We have concluded that we will not be introducing future similar maintenance headaches by adding the FreightCreditNote to the document suite. We recommend that you use the FreightInvoice with the invoice type indicating that it is a credit note.
We invite you to consider its use in UBL 2.2's upcoming first public review. If you find that it cannot meet your need, you are welcome to post again to the UBL Comment List with your observations.
On behalf of the committee I thank you for your interest in UBL! . . . . . . . Ken At 2016-05-18 09:57 +0000, Guido Dilles wrote:
Hello Roberto, Thank you for your comment.Indeed, in most cases a simple CreditNote should suffice to cancel or correct a FreightInvoice.However, in some cases a 'CreditNote' is the original document, e.g. for commission invoices, where the full shipment data is useful to identify the transport.I am currently building 'Invoice' documents with the 'Shipment' tag in the extensions area, because not many UBL solutions are capable of handling a FreightInvoice. The presence of the Shipment tag does allow a receiver to fairly easily convert the 'Invoice' to a 'FreightInvoice'. But it is not possible to do the same with a CreditNote that contains the Shipping tag in the extension.Guido Dilles From: JAVEST by Roberto Cisternino [mailto:roberto.cisternino@javest.com] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 11:48 PM To: ubl-comment@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [ubl-comment] FreightCreditNote? Hello Guido, CEN-BII and OpenPEPPOL are not using the FreightInvoice. The profile 5 "Billing" also has a precise rule for invoices and credit notes:tbr14-052 - The total amount of the document and due amount cannot be negative.The Billi profile also uses two UBL documents: - UBL-Invoice-2.1 - UBL-CreditNote-2.1It is true there is not a FreightCreditNote however, so question is, if a Carrier needs to send a Credit Note to a Freight Forwarder which is related to a container freigth, does he have all information required ? The generic CreditNote of UBL should be sufficient usually because it should reference a previous Invoice where all industry details are already provided. So if the previous invoice was an UBL-FreigthInvoice-2.1 all should be fine. I would say it is important to reference the credited invoice and maybe it is not strictly necessary to provide (repeat) all industry-specific details such as shipment info in the credit note.it is my opinion however.... Best regards Roberto Il 15/05/2016 23.22, Guido Dilles ha scritto: Hello,FreightInvoice is a special case of the Invoice document, mandatory including a 'Shipment' tag to include transportation details.With CEN-BII and openPeppol BIS profiles moving to profile 5, their recommendation now is to send a CreditNote document for invoices with negative amounts / corrective / cancellation invoices, instead of indicating inside the Invoice document (with the DocumentType tag) whether the Invoice is an invoice or a creditnote.In that logic, shouldn't there be a UBL document FreightCreditNote? Kind regards, Guido Dilles Dilcom bvba Bollostraat 10 B, 2220 Heist-op-den-Berg Tel. (015) 527.160 GSM (0477) 33.89.62 BTW BE 0466.179.426 - RPR Antwerpen E-Mail : <mailto:guido.dilles@dilcom.be>guido.dilles@dilcom.be Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.comVersione: 2016.0.7597 / Database dei virus: 4568/12237 - Data di rilascio: 15/05/2016-- Best regards [] Roberto Cisternino e-Business Consultant, JAVEST by Roberto Cisternino OASIS Member | UBL ITLSC, Chair | P.IVA IT01290640117 | C.F. CSTRRT68M06E463H | <mailto:roberto.cisternino@javest.com>roberto.cisternino@javest.com |<tel:+39%20328%202148123>Mobile: +39 328 2148123 | Skype: <roberto.cisternino.htm>roberto.cisternino.ubl-itlsc | Via Europa 33/F 19020 Follo, La Spezia, Italy
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