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Subject: Catalogue Re: [ubl-dev] B2B and IT standards... interestingpaper and Gartner's view
Just to add an amended PreisShare xml file for a pricelist document which matches the UBL equivalent at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-dev/200702/msg00041.html <Price_List price_List_ID="007" issue_Date="2007-01-01"> <Vendor_Information> <PreisShare_ID>038454332</PreisShare_ID> <Organisation_Name>Yada Computers</Organisation_Name> <Address_Line_1>3a River Road</Address_Line_1> <Address_Line_2/> <Suburb_Town>Naremburn</Suburb_Town> <State_Region>NSW</State_Region> <ZIP_Postcode>2566</ZIP_Postcode> <Country_Code list_ID="ISO3166-1" url="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-ubl-2.0/cl/gc/default/CountryIdentificationCode-2.0.gc";>AU</Country_Code> </Vendor_Information> <Receiver_Information> <PreisShare_ID>1</PreisShare_ID> <Organisation_Name></Organisation_Name> <Address_Line_1></Address_Line_1> <Address_Line_2/> <Suburb_Town></Suburb_Town> <State_Region></State_Region> <ZIP_Postcode></ZIP_Postcode> <Country_Code></Country_Code> </Receiver_Information> <Product_Information> <Product_Group> <Group_Description>Parts</Group_Description> <Product_Items> <Product> <PLU>37380</PLU> <Name>Net Switch 10/100 24P rt 19"</Name> <Actual_Price iso_3166-1_Currency_Code="NZD" url="http://docs.oasis-open.org/UBL/os-UBL-2.0/cl/gc/cefact/CurrencyCode-2.0.gc";>106.6</Actual_Price> <Price_Base_Quantity unece_7_04_Units_Of_Measure_Code="C62" unece_7_04_Units_Of_Measure_Name="one" url="http://docs.oasis-open.org/UBL/os-UBL-2.0/cl/gc/cefact/UnitOfMeasureCode-2.0.gc";>1</Price_Base_Quantity> </Product> <Product> <PLU>GE00447</PLU> <Name>Geh K Ext. LC-POWER EH-25MP Multimedia HDD Player 2,5"</Name> <Actual_Price/> </Product> </Product_Items> </Product_Group> </Product_Information> </Price_List> I just added a few things like document ID and issue date (attributes on document root), codelist bindings to help UBL-interop and base quantity added to price (seems sensible). My UBL subset adds a few things like multiple descriptive elements (for multiple languages - a good add from Denmark to UBL documents in general I think), a country name, etc in addresses (in case a country is created which doesn't yet have a code) and other minor things. Otherwise the subset at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-dev/200702/msg00041.html seems a close match to the PreisShare xml format. Hence I'd suggest encapsulating it in some CAM. All the best Stephen Green >>> David Lyon <david.lyon@preisshare.net> 05/02/07 07:26:57 >>> Hi Roger, After two weeks of asking I can't get anybody to give me a simple example of a UBL catalogue file. They either don't have any or don't want to give me any. Maybe it's just not developed.. .. I really don't know... So if you are doing mass interconnections or about to on a vast scale with UBL, then it obviously that means that you've overcome these issues and are in the clear jetstream... Well, quite frankly, that's very good to hear... Meanwhile, I will very patiently await my example file to come.... I'm interested to see how long it will take.... Best Regards David Roger Bass wrote: > David, > > The points in my email were pretty high level strategic ones. I'm not > quite clear which points if any you're disagreeing with there. > > I do agree that this is all quite some way from the more immediate > concerns faced by SMBs, and the companies trying to solve these > problems for them - which include my company as well as yours. The > behavior you describe of large companies with their "supplier portals" > is very familiar to us too. Indeed, I see that behavior as driving > demand from SMBs for solutions like my company's. And I expect and > hope to see much more of it! > > You say these big companies don't provide any automated upload > capabilities. Well, in specific cases that may or may not be true. > It's certainly not what's promoted, and the individual large companies > may not even know about it, but my sense is that in an increasing > number of cases, there are in fact ways to connect programmatically > using XML standards. I'm working through these issues now with some of > the very big names in the industry so that we can actually deliver a > solution that is able to make those connections at vast scale. > > Best, > Roger > > PS: btw, I didn't get what you meant about business reporting > mechanisms not mentioning this etc > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* David Lyon [mailto:david.lyon@preisshare.net] > *Sent:* Sun 2/4/2007 3:35 PM > *To:* Roger Bass > *Cc:* ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org > *Subject:* Re: [ubl-dev] B2B and IT standards... interesting paper and > Gartner's view > > > Hi Roger, > > They're interesting points. > > I'd just like to add an alternate perspective that I see at some of my > clients. They're not the same clients as Gartner would have. They're > much smaller of course. > > A lot of these clients are in reality going backwards in productivity > with regards to IT and B2B standards. > > The reason for this is quite simple. > > Large companies now have complex websites and are more commonly refusing > to do data entry. Instead making their smaller Customers do double entry > instead. First into their own accounting system and then into the > suppliers website/online system. > > This of course goes against the grain of what many of us promote, > exchanging business messaging. But it's quite true. > > I can name many large international companies who work this way. They > don't provide any web-services with automatic upload capabilities. Just > browser based entry screens. > > So whilst Gartner may say it is one way that relates to their own > clients, there is a whole 'nother business world out there where the > reality is entirely different. > > And the numbers of businesses that operate in this 'alternate' system is > the majority by number... but none of the actual business reporting > mechanisms will mention this because of various commercial loyalties and > concerns that are in place with the big players. > > Regards > > Davod > > > Roger Bass wrote: > > In view of the discussion about ebXML and WS-*, I wanted to share a > couple of things that seem potentially relevant. > > > > This paper http://www.w3.org/2007/01/wos-papers/gall > <http://www.w3.org/2007/01/wos-papers/gall> (from a Gartner VP no > less), talks about how the whole WS-* stack is actually antithetical > to web architecture principles, and calls for a new focus at the W3C > on a set of A2A protocols (and by implication, B2B as a subset) that > are more weblike, leaving the big IT middleware vendors to evolve WS-* > on their own. He also makes some interesting points about how > web-like resource architectures are inherently more viral, ie may > proliferate faster (though he doesn't quite say it like that). > > > > Separately, but quite related I think, Gartner's B2B research leads > are articulating a vision that explicitly states that B2B > infrastructure will become the infrastructure for IT outsourcing. And > with services in the cloud proliferating and increasingly valuable, > the architecture for IT outsourcing will increasingly become the > architecture for IT, period. > > > > So, an interesting hypothesis emerges - whatever standards and > technologies win in B2B eventually win everywhere. > > > > The Danish paper implicitly argues the other way around - WS-* is > winning within the enterprise, so it will win in B2B. The points here > suggest that that may not necessarily be so. > > > > Regards, > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect ______________________________________________________________________ Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect
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