RE: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] P2P for e-business - applications?

[david.lyon@preisshare.net]

DW,

I really can't really comment much further because I haven't been to  
Kenya or Uganda. The Kenyan friends that I do have here have invited  
me over there but I haven't the opportunity to take them up on it yet.

Of course, Africa is in the process of modernising in it's own context.

In western countries we have a lot of junk. Most governments from what  
I can tell here now are only motivated to do something when there is a  
big payoff that can be channelled towards their own super funds.  
Forgive my cynicism once again...

But one good thing that western countries excel at is pulling whatever  
is best from anywhere else back in.

So if it fills a big enough gap, don't be surprised to see it where you are.

btw, I've always advocated mobile phones as a payment device. if  
service stations or shops had a rf pad, then you could just place your  
phone on the pad to do a payment. It would be so much easier than  
carrying a wallet full of cards.

Regards

David

Quoting "David RR Webber \(XML\)" <david@drrw.info>:

> David,
>
> Oddly enough - I believe Africa is a bigger catalyst for change right
> now than Asia.
>
> Cell phones and PDAs are the drivers.  As happened in Asia - cellphones
> are taking Africa by storm - 1 in 3 adults now have one in the more
> developed states.   And because there is no legacy infrastructure -
> they don't have to replace anything.
>
> But what the cells are used for is the key.  Wireless banking.  Kenya
> and Uganda are now doing transfers using cell phones - and the phone is
> your digital wallet - with balances.  And this is real money being
> transferred securely to family members from ex-pat' workers in EU and
> America.
>
> But what it enables is digital money in the local economy - I can
> transfer money from my phone to yours via the bank and a PIN code.  And
> the bank will honor this - I can go into a branch and get real hard cash
> for my balance.
>
> Tax authorities in EU and America of course will not take note until
> this becomes common place here too.  Or - people buy phones in Africa
> and ship them to EU and America to allow this type of transfer - via
> the bank in Africa...
>
> Breaks all the rules doesn't it?
>
> ; -)
>
> So its only a matter of time - 1 year, 3 years, 5 years?  Pick a number
> - before politicians - are going to wake up and demand a technology
> solution to restore tax revenues...
>
> Until then - its business-as-usual - a la Inovis - but this train has
> already left the station - it's just a matter of when it arrives - not
> if...
>
> DW
>
> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
>
>
>  -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] P2P for e-business -
> applications?
> From: david.lyon@preisshare.net
> Date: Thu, March 22, 2007 1:25 am
> To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
>
> Quoting Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>:
>
>> I'd personally always favoured the P2P model primarily
>> but seen the hub model or variants as a fallback.
>
> But they work.....
>
> looking at:
>
> http://www.inovis.com/solutions/catalogue/
>
> "Retailers: Easy access to current product information
>
>     * Multiple access options including web-based user interface,
> EDI, XML and real-time application integration"
>
> what more could you want?
>
> The benefits of true p2p could only be marginal over the above.
>
> In fact it's fair to say that a lot of businesses are "afraid" of
> getting the data any faster. I've even heard it said that it might
> "break" their computer if it goes too fast. As in "our computer
> couldn't handle that".
>
> Of course, I'm just playing the devils advocate here.
>
> But I'm wondering what sort of capability you are thinking about
> exactly when there appears to be so much stuff out there that already
> is or is purporting to do it.
>
> Maybe you are just hoping to get UBL going a bit faster than it
> already is. If so, then that's fine and I can easily go along with
> your reasoning.
>
> True P2p is still a challenge.... people would need to know what the
> exact business benefits would be before they would throw any cash at it.
>
> As mentioned above, there are probably many solutions which come very
> close in place already.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
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