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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] questions about DespatchAdvice for an Implementation in Italy (Delivery note for worked component/DDT Reso da conto lavorazione)
Hello,
by using Genericode 1.0 OASIS Standard you can manage to use at the same
time a standard code list and proprietary data (like a cross-reference
list)
Genericode provides you the possibility to extend the codelist as you want
with new columns by keeping the relationship between codes.
Genericode allow you to define a primary key for your code list but also
any other secondary key or definition you need, as well as localized
versions.
So the mapping you mentioned can be persisted in a genericode list.
Roberto Cisternino
> Dear All,
> after (long) thinking about it, we decided to use simply (brutally) the
> internal code list of the software used by the despatch party, whatever
> it
> is.
>
> The software the receives the UBL despatchAdvice will have to keep a
> mapping
> between its internal code list and the despatcherCode list.
>
> I think this is the best and easiest solution. Indeed the start up will be
> very quick ( you have to map only the 2 or 3 values that you use in the
> 99%
> of the cases).
> In case you receive a new type of despatchAdvice, you will have simply to
> add a new pair in the mapping table.
>
>
> So for example, when the company B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc despatch the
> welded
> frames,
> the portion of xml will look like this:
>
>
> <cbc:DespatchAdviceTypeCode
> languageID="IT"
> listAgencyID=""
> listAgencyName="B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc"
> listID=""
> listName="internal codes in software at despatcher side"
> listVersionID=""
> name="CONTO LAVORAZIONE">17</cbc:DespatchAdviceTypeCode>
>
> regards - Fabio
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Roberto Cisternino
> <roberto@javest.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Fabio,
>>
>> the semantic meaning and original function of the despatch advice are
>> related to the advice of despatch of goods not services.
>>
>> All of these terms are related to an "electronic delivery note":
>>
>> - Despatch Advice
>> - Ship Notice
>> - Advance Ship Notice ("ASN")
>>
>> P.S. Anyway this is not exaclty a transport document like the waybill...
>>
>>
>> The italian DDT example you reported is always related to goods even if
>> transported due to a work order.
>>
>> The codelist you could use is the following as it is well supported in
>> Italy by the ANGAISA consortium.
>>
>> In the future this and other codelists could be governed by a national
>> cross industry consortium.
>>
>> At this stage this is my suggestion:
>>
>> 100 Vendita
>> 200 Reso da accreditare
>> 210 Reso c/riparazione
>> 220 Reso c/lavorazione
>> 230 Reso c/sostituzione
>> 240 Reso c/sostituzione in garanzia
>> 300 In conto visione
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> UBL ITLSC co-chair
>> Roberto Cisternino
>> > Hi Arrianna,
>> > thank you for the list. I checked it, but I was not able to find what
>> I
>> am
>> > searching for.
>> > I guess maybe this is the first time anybody has this problem !?
>> >
>> > I mean, maybe up to know UBL ( and any EDI ) has been used only in
>> case
>> of
>> > selling goods,
>> > not for some kind of processing( paiting, chroming, welding...). This
>> > means,
>> > all despatch advices were
>> > meant to be of "sell" type.
>> >
>> > I'll try to search some more on the EDIFACT documentation, but I think
>> I
>> > will have to set up my own code list :-/
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Arianna Brutti
>> > <arianna.brutti@enea.it>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good morning Mr Ferronato,
>> >>
>> >> UBL specification doesn't recomend a code list for the Despatch
>> Advice
>> >> Type
>> >> Code.
>> >>
>> >> My suggestion is to check if the UN/ECE 1001 code list could be
>> useful
>> >> for
>> >> your purpose:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/d00a/tred/tred1001.htm
>> >>
>> >> Important: remember to specify the code list you are using by the
>> >> attribute
>> >> listID, etc. ...
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >>
>> >> Arianna Brutti
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> il Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:14:51 +0200 (CEST)
>> >> "Roberto Cisternino" <roberto@javest.com> ha scritto:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear Mr. Ferronato,
>> >>>
>> >>> maybe you could be interested into UBL ITLSC (Italian Localization
>> >>> Subcommittee) which is available in Italy since 2006.
>> >>>
>> >>> By the way, if you need an advanced DDT I would suggest the UBL
>> WayBill
>> >>> which is intended for international transport (lettera di vettura),
>> >>> this
>> >>> way you will be sure all your data will be supported.
>> >>>
>> >>> You are right about the "Despatch Advice Type Code" but many code
>> list
>> >>> in
>> >>> UBL are just a place holder, thus are not provided with the
>> Standard.
>> >>>
>> >>> In fact codelists are decoupled from the document model and this
>> >>> provides
>> >>> more robust and extensible business documents.
>> >>>
>> >>> You can use a local (national) codelist, or you can agree a codelist
>> >>> with
>> >>> your partners.
>> >>> I suggest to contact the UBL ITLSC co-chair "arianna.brutti@enea.it"
>> >>> that
>> >>> could be aware of an existing codelists implemented into other
>> italian
>> >>> UBL
>> >>> adoptions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards
>> >>>
>> >>> UBL ITLSC
>> >>> co-chair
>> >>> Roberto Cisternino
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>> I work in a middle sized Italian company and I would like to use
>> UBL
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> exchanging data with our suppliers.
>> >>>> All examples/documentation about UBL seem to talk about "selling"
>> >>>> goods.
>> >>>> In my implementation instead we need to exchange data with
>> suppliers
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> do
>> >>>> some working on the components that we send to them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The first document that I would like to implement is the Delivery
>> Note
>> >>>> (Italian: DDT or Documento Di Trasporto).
>> >>>> I was able to map *NEARLY* all data to a UBL DespatchAdvice, but
>> there
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> some things that I am not able to find and are:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [list begin]
>> >>>> - date of starting shipment:
>> >>>> I am not able to find it. Even in the section Consigment
>> >>>> There is already a field "issue Date" but I use it to indicate
>> when
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> delivery note was issued.
>> >>>> The real start of shipment is in many cases the day after
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - price:
>> >>>> Typically it is *NOT* shown on the Delivery Note, but however I
>> would
>> >>>> like
>> >>>> to have it here.
>> >>>> Is there any field for it ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - kind of delivery note:
>> >>>> Some of our suppliers sell us goods (part of chairs)
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> we send them some row material, they work it and then send it us
>> back
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the first case the delivery note is type "sell" [Italian: DDT
>> di
>> >>>> vendita]
>> >>>> In the second case the delivery note is type "work" (proper
>> English
>> >>>> terminology?) [however in Italian is DDT *Reso* da conto
>> >>>> *lavorazione*].
>> >>>> There are also many other kinds of delivery note.Where can I set
>> this
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> DespatchAdvice ?
>> >>>> I think in the Despatch Advice Type Code, but where can I find a
>> >>>> standard
>> >>>> list of possible values ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [list end]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here below I write a typical example.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Involved companies are:
>> >>>> A-c.h.a.i.r.s.-corp
>> >>>> B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc
>> >>>> C-p.a.i.t.i.n.g.-corp
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Company "A-c.h.a.i.r.s.-corp" wants to produce some metal chairs
>> and
>> >>>> cuts
>> >>>> some metal tubes,
>> >>>> which are sent to "B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc", where they have to be
>> >>>> welded
>> >>>> together.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then "B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc" welds together the tubes and produce
>> a
>> >>>> chair
>> >>>> metal frame.
>> >>>> The metal frames are sent to "C-p.a.i.t.i.n.g.-corp" to be painted
>> in
>> >>>> black.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Company "A-c.h.a.i.r.s.-corp" would like to know rapidly how many
>> >>>> chair
>> >>>> metal frames have been sent
>> >>>> from "B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc"
>> >>>> to "C-p.a.i.t.i.n.g.-corp"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> using a DespatchAdvice UBL document.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thank you in advance for helping with the 3 fields and for any
>> other
>> >>>> comments,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Fabio Ferronato
>> >>>> Armet s.p.a.
>> >>>> -ITALY-
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> * JAVEST by Roberto Cisternino
>> >>> *
>> >>> * Document Engineering Services Ltd. - Alliance Member
>> >>> * UBL Italian Localization SubCommittee (ITLSC), co-Chair
>> >>> * UBL Online Community editorial board member (ubl.xml.org)
>> >>> * Italian UBL Advisor
>> >>>
>> >>> Roberto Cisternino
>> >>>
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>> *
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>>
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>>
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*
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