[ubl-ndrsc] Minutes February 12 2003

[Mavis Cournane <mavis.cournane@cognitran.com>]

Dear all
attached are the minutes of NDR's call today. Please note action items and
items to be done next week.

Regards
Mavis
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The NDR SC met by phone on Wednesday, February 12 2003:
Attached are the minutes

1.  Roll Call and Welcome from the chair (Mavis), assignment of co-chair to
take minutes.

Michael Grimley
Fabrice Desre (AWOL)
Kris Ketels (AWOL)
Gunther Stuhec (AWOL)
Jessica Glace
Ann Hendry
Eve Maler (y:30)
Paul Thorpe
Mavis Cournane
Jim Wilson (regrets)
Mark Crawford
Bill Burcham
Sue Probert
Eduardo Gutentag
Jon Bosak
Matt Gertner (y:02)
Lisa Seaburg

Quorum was reached at x:10.

    (a) new members
2 new members have joined NDR. Jim Wilson from CIDX and Dan Vint from ACORD.
Both are welcomed in their absence by the chair.

    (b) quorum review
The chair has an action to mail Kris Ketels asking him in the interests of
acheiving quorum to step aside as a voting member of NDR for now.
His participation has been infrequent. However, this will not effect his
standing as a voting member of the TC.

2.  Acceptance of minutes from F2F meetings.
Minutes accepted

3.  Adoption of agenda/schedule planning
Adopted


4. Discussion of the proposed NDR UBL 1.0 release schedule (Mavis)

 Timing
- we will seek UBL TC approval for the adoption of UBL NDR 1.0 as a proposed
specification going forward to OASIS.
- March 1 all NDR sections must be with Mark for editing
- April 2 the first draft version of NDR 1.0 will be put out by Mark for NDR
QA and review.
- April 24 is the deadline for NDR 1.0 to be approved by the NDR SC for
submission to the UBL TC
- April 25 either Jon or Mark (if Jon is unavailable) will submit NDR 1.0 to
the UBL TC to approve NDR 1.0 going forward to OASIS as a proposed spec.
- 5 days April 25- April 30 for UBL TC to deliberate

This schedule was put to a vote and was unanimously adopted.

 Content of release Package

- UBL NDR document
- Auxiliary documents
 CM Guidelines
 Code List Rules document
Any other discussion documents will be pointed to and not included in the
package

Code Lists


Eve suggested it would be good if we had a beta test of our rules against
that of a real code list from a code list reproducer.
Previously, she gave a talk to UN/ECE where our code list position paper was
well received. This group also provided us with useful feedback
on our document. UN/ECE currently reproduce country code and currency code
code lists. Eve did a mock up example of NDR's code list rules as they would
apply to these two code lists.

Action items:
It would be very useful if we could talk to UN/ECE about the adoption our
rules in the republication of their code lists.
Mark will see if a resource is available to be the front lead on this to
UN/ECE
Arofan and Lisa will update Eve's sample country code and currency code
lists and provide technical assistance required for the testing.
Jon will talk to Rosetta Net as code list producers with a code list problem
and see if our proposed solution demonstrated in Eve's two examples would
work for them. He will put these samples on our website for them to have a
look at when they are ready.

There was a discussion on enumeration as per our code list proposal. This
works largely for fairly static code lists. David Webber rightly points out
that for very dynamic codelists like HL7 XML schema is not very useful as is
the case with static ones.
Jessica's group have also difficulties accepting the enumerated list part of
our proposal.
Arofan suggested that we should bring Tony Coates from TC154 who wrote Best
Practice on Enumeration more in to our loop.

At the F2F just gone by Gunther suggested that their code be a namespace
problem within codelists. Eve rejects this as she does not see a way for
namespaces to get out of hand within in the instance. In the schema they are
handcrafted anyway.

There was a discussion on the role of CM in the NDR release. We decided at
the F2F that CM is a separate normative deliverable.


5. Review priorities and assignment of work items (Mavis/Lisa/Mark)

- Codelists, A Priority. Lisa will update the document pending outcome of
the beta test. Lisa and Arofan will fix up Eve's two code list samples.
- CM, A Priority. Will be worked on by the CM SC.
- Local vs Global, A Priority. Will be moderated via email by Jim Wilson.
Hopefully a documented decision will be in the NDR document within 2 weeks.
- Versioning, A Priority. Bill will have finalized his thoughts and will
have prepared a discussion for next week's call.
- CCTs, A Priority. Gunther and Mavis will work on this section. Arofan is
happy to review the 2 related schema modules - one on common leaf     types
and the other on metadata types.
- Documentation,  B Priority. Gunther to work on examples and Mavis will
moderate the email discussion. This should be finalized within 2 weeks.

Note: The 2 schema modules will be packaged in the NDR 1.0 release and
repackaged again in the next LCSC release.

6. Context Methodology (Eduardo)
Deferred until next week.


7. Embedded documentation (Gunther/Mavis)

Jon:  We decided that not everything that is in the current spreadsheet
deserves to be in the schema documentation. The responsibility for deciding
this is left to LCSC and the spreadsheet designers.
Arofan: The contents of the spreadsheet alone would not suffice as
documentation for implementation.
Mavis: NDRs decision is on the format. Two proposals currently one on XHTML
and one on Docbook. Docbook is proposed by Gunther for the extra
non-spreadsheet information.

Action: Mavis to follow up with Gunther and get him to clarify his position
by example in the Documentation thread on the NDR List.


8. UN/CEFACT ATG Generic Header Project (Arofan)
Deferred

9. Adjourn
adjourned y:59
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Mavis Cournane
Cognitran Ltd