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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 28|29 November 2005
MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING 00H30 - 02H30 UTC TUESDAY 29 NOVEMBER 2005 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Stephen Green G. Ken Holman Tim McGrath Andy Schoka Sylvia Webb STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar: http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm TM: Note the eEurope Award given the team from Denmark for their UBL implementation! http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200511/msg00132.html GKH: Presentation to Canadian government people went very well; have been invited back to present to a different group. Liaison report: ebBP TC SG: Just completed a draft of a set of about 24 definitions that should cover both SGS and UBL proper through the different aspects of ordering. Will now be working with Sascha Schlegel from Cyclone Commerce to finish. Subcommittee report: SBSC JB: We're supposed be looking at the submission this week. AS: Re fundamental definitions: TM referred to a doc from TBG3 that contained definitions harmonizing the UNTDED with the WCO model; could this be relevant to SG? TM: The definitions are actually from the UNTDED (ISO 7372). TBG3 have taken this controlled vocabulary and compared it with the WCO model, which identifies key information components for customs documents. But the comparison deals mainly with international trade and transport. You would have to go to the full UNTDED for supply chain. SG: Biggest issue for SBS 2 is whether we should include transport documents; maybe those need to be subsetted. TM: Probably not in the first phase; if you are going to do international trade, you need more than a subset. But we should consider extending the SBS to cover extended procurement. The introduction of the transport docs is going to affect some of the procurement docs. ACTION: SG to send mail to MHB and JosteinF asking for assistance with subsetting Catalogue for SBS 2.0. GKH: Can the new transport docs replace Despatch and Receipt Advice? TM: No; the new structures are much bigger. GKH: HISC will be looking at all the new doc types. TM: The four original transportation docs have UNLKs; the other three should not be difficult. Perhaps the UNDOT requirements could serve to define a subset of the transportation docs. SG: SBSC has developed a methodology that can be applied to subsets other than ours; you can have different subsets depending on context. ACTION: AS to review the SBS to see whether the methodology is applicable to USDOT subsetting. Liaison report: UN/CEFACT JB: Met last week, but nothing from OASIS management yet. We will meet again 7 December. Subcommittee report: HISC GKH: Still on hold pending completion of the code list work. ACTION: JB to continue looking for XForms support. Team report: Code Lists GKH: Met in Atlanta with TonyC. Thinks seem to be working, just need to finish the documentation. Have posted the first part; does anyone think I'm off on a tangent? SG: Think it's fine. GKH/SG: Is the plural of "schema" "schemas" or "schemata"? JB: I prefer "schemas," but the OED prefers "schemata." Since we're using Oxford English, it will have to be "schemata." GKH: Can the first code list methodology document be a UBL 1.0 CD? JB: Need to discuss in the Atlantic call. GKH: Was TonyC looking to UBL to standardize genericode, or do we just point to it? JB: Need to discuss in the Atlantic call. AGREED that we think it would be a good idea to standardize the format (because otherwise we can't normatively reference it). GKH: Have adapted docbook stylesheets for UBL, so can now produce OASIS PDF layout for committee specs from docbook. Subcommittee report: PSC TM: Have distributed a first set of schemata with incomplete content to begin EF testing. Currently working on improving the definitions in the spreadsheets and the application of naming rules; there are a couple of ongoing issues that we're almost done with. The doc Application Response will subsume the former Account Response. Trying to finish draft 11 this week, which we hope will be the final one. The draft will include the change log. Subcommittee report: TSC TM: As in PSC, holding 2-3 meetings a week. Quality is very good; continuing to simplify the model. We're finding that many things in the Procurement library are actually shared with Transport and will therefore end up in the Common library; we're almost ready to make that transfer. We're hoping to have final spreadsheets by the end of next week and to produce the approved spreadsheets and process model the week of 12/12. TM: Document Reference in 2.0 is more sophisticated than in 1.0. We see three varieties: 1. External document reference, where you simply assign a name or identifier to a doc that exists in another place; 2. A reference to a doc that is included in the exchange, so that the Document Reference has to be able to identify a doc that goes with it; 3. Embedded document, where you want to say that this doc is included in the bounds of the one you're seeing. To address all three cases, it's been suggested that we promote Document Reference (currently an ABIE) to the status of a doc type -- a wrapper so that you can send any document in a UBL Document Reference. GKH: Or more than one. TM: Yes. Question: Does it make sense to have this new doc type, Document Reference? It's already in the library; do we want to promote it to root? We don't care about the actual content; it could be a BLOB inside. JB: Don't understand why we're trying to create MIME multipart inside a UBL document. ACTION: TM to post this question to the list. Team report: Digital Signatures TM: Digsig is actually an example of the third case above. We want to include in our doc a piece of text, the digsig; sometimes we want it attached as in case 2, or sometimes just reference it. PB is proposing to take the digsig model proposed by CrimsonLogic, but instead of having a digsig ABIE, use an attached Document Reference. So you could use any of the three approaches -- you're just referencing another doc. PB will have a conversation with CL before we proceed with this. Review of Atlantic and Europe/Asia calls TM: Since TSC and PSC are meeting 2-3 times a week, we don't need the Europe/Asia calls. People are not using them to maintain voting status (the original purpose). Propose we suspend them till further notice. AGREED to suspend the Europe/Asia TC calls. ACTION: TM to notify the list. ACTION ITEM REVIEW ACTION: SG and SW to create a UBL UDT spreadsheet that describes everything in the ATG2 UDT schema, ignoring what UBL currently has for UDT and QDT, and then create the UBL QDT using the same structure. SW: Still pending. ACTION: SG and SW to manually update the CC parameter schema. SG: Atlantic call decided not to import the module. SW: We need to see this reflected in the NDRs. OTHER BUSINESS TM: We no longer have a liaison with ATG2. JB: We don't need an active ATG2 participant, just someone to monitor their progress. SW: Only need to register on the UN/ECE web site. ACTION: JB to look for a volunteer to monitor ATG2 activity. Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC
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