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Subject: Re: [ubl] Comments to UBL V2.0 main specification (CS sanity check 4) by JPLSC

Dear G. Ken Holman,
Thank you very much for your comments and information.
I understand your comments.
Best Regards,
Yukinori Saito

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>
To: <saito-yukinori@fujielectric.co.jp>
Cc: <ubl@lists.oasis-open.org>; <kenichi.hayashi@mitsubishicorp.com>;
<kunio_ohno@justsystem.co.jp>; <kueno@iea.att.ne.jp>; <naitoh@is.oit.ac.jp>;
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [ubl] Comments to UBL V2.0 main specification (CS sanity check
4) by JPLSC

Good morning, Saito, I too have reviewed your formatting comments.

At 2006-10-13 08:07 -0700, jon.bosak@sun.com wrote:
>With regard to your comments about style, please understand that
>we are now using the OASIS DocBook templates to generate the HTML
>output from an XML original.  In other words, the document itself
>(UBL-2.0.xml) has no inherent output format; the format is
>provided by the standard DocBook stylesheets as modified by OASIS
>for OASIS publications.  Consequently, we no longer have control
>over the appearance of the document.  For example, the placement
>of figure titles is dictated by the OASIS DocBook stylesheets, not
>by us.  Therefore the formatting issues you raise must be
>addressed by OASIS for all of its DocBook-based publications.

It happens I am the one collecting requirements
for modifications to the DocBook-based publishing
of OASIS specifications, and I will make note of
your desire for the figure title placement to be
after the figure, and I will compare this
requirement with the other layouts available for OASIS specifications.

To date very little feedback has been reported
regarding the DocBook presentation of OASIS
specifications, and I would value any further
observations JPLSC may wish to make on the OASIS stylesheets used by UBL.

The current version of these OASIS stylesheets can be found at:


The version as used by the UBL-2.0.xml hypertext
document can be found in the db/ subdirectory of the UBL 2.0 release

I anticipate releasing a revised version of the
OASIS stylesheets based on feedback received.

>I see nothing that would prevent the JPLSC
>from implementing its formatting suggestions in its own
>publication of the specification.  I believe that this would apply
>even to the HTML version, as it, too, is just a generated artifact
>of the XML document.  Perhaps JPLSC members such as Justsystem can
>approach this task as an interesting technical challenge.

Note that the JPLSC can utilize the stylesheet
modules provided in the db/ directory of UBL-2.0
and create your own customization layer.  To do
this you would create, say,
UBL-2.0-JPLSC-html.xsl and import the
UBL-2.0-html.xsl stylesheet.  Note there is a
parameterization of the placement of titles that
you can, then, specialize in your customization layer:


As Jon says, this would merely be your projection
of the standardized XML document in a customized presentation.

>With regard specifically to your comment about possible ISO
>publication, I agree that there are problems here, but they are
>much more extensive than perhaps you are aware.

Note a number of publishing problems you cite I
understand are related to figure dimensions,
which would probably simply require resampling
the diagrams at a different resolution.  This
does not, however, address legibility, and future
revisions of the documents may require some
diagrams to be redrawn to address limitations in dimensions.

I hope this helps understand some of the issues you have brought to light.

. . . . . . . . . . Ken

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