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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 12 December 2018 01:00UTC


Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 12 December 2018 01:00UTC

ATTENDANCE

  Kenneth Bengtsson
  G. Ken Holman (convener)
  Matt Lewis
  Andrew Mitchell
  Levine Naidoo

  Regrets received in advance:

   Todd Albers


REFERENCING THE SPECIFICATION

   - one of the following should be used as a specific citation:
     OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.2
     OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
   - the following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
     OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
   - the canonical 2.2 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
     http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/
   - the canonical 2.1 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
     http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.1/
   - the ISO/IEC catalogue entry for UBL 2.1 is found at:
     http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm/?csnumber=66370
   - the ISO/IEC document and attachments for UBL 2.1 are found at:
     http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/


STANDING ITEMS

   Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
      - no new events to add at this time

   Review of Pacific call minutes
      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00002.html

   Review of Atlantic call minutes
      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00004.html

   Membership status review
    https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership
    https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
    https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80

   - voting status is determined by the following:
     - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
       maintain voting status
     - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
       voting status
     - members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and
       their voting status is not impacted
   - current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
     - Todd Albers
       - Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web
         Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
     - Kenneth Bengtsson
       - Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
     - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
       - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS
       - Member CEN/TC434/WS8
     - Peter Borresen
       - DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7
     - Kees Duvekot
       - Member OASIS BDXR, Member of the Standaardisatie­platform
         e-factureren
     - Cécile Guasch
       - Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2,
         European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit)
     - G. Ken Holman
       - Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
     - Ole Ellerbæk Madsen
       - DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32
     - Andrew Mitchell
     - Levine Naidoo
       - Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, Member Fintech Australia
     - Olli Pajari
   - active non-voting members
     - Oriol Bausà Peris
       - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
     - Roberto Cisternino
       - IT Expert UN/CEFACT
     - Matt Lewis
       - Member Blockchain Association of Australia
     - Steve Ryan
     - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
       - Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH)
     - Matt Vickers
       - Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition,
         Director US Data Coalition
   - members approaching gaining voting status after this meeting:
     - Matt Vickers
     - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
   - members approaching losing voting status after this meeting:
     - Ole Ellerbæk Madsen
   - new member orientation information:
     https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59647


UBL 2.2
   - UBL 2.2 OASIS Standard is published:

      http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/UBL-2.2.html

   - Ken to begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845
     - progress being made today with OASIS legal counsel
   - Ken has contacted Paul Thorpe regarding his availability to help
     with the creation of ASN.1 artefacts for UBL 2.2 ... this is what
     we did with his help for UBL 2.1:

     http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-2.1-ASN.1/v1.0/UBL-2.1-ASN.1-v1.0.html


UBL 2.3
   - Cécile managing requirements for pre-award documents
   - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
   - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
   - Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents
   - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
   - Kees designated a co-editor of UBL 2.3 and is now in charge of the
     production of the artefacts, with the assistance from Erlend as needed
   - please progress unaddressed JIRA tickets, especially the ones from
     UBL 2.2
   - reminder about the calendar for UBL 2.3:
     - working drafts at the end of 2018
     - final OASIS Standard at the end of 2019
     - final ISO Standard at the end of 2020
     - we are not going to make the first deadline ... what do we expect
       looking forward?
     - should we review the release schedule?
       - it is a long process to adopt new versions by users
       - perception that even minor versions deprecate earlier versions
         even though adopting an earlier version is compliant to a later
         version
       - creates uncertainty amongst regulators and law-makers
     - should we abandon a formal schedule and just work ad hoc until we
       think we are ready for a new version?
     - do we have any knowledge of users using UBL 2.2?
       - Europeans are using the bulk of new pre-award document types
     - users have already been identified for UBL 2.3 for the end of 2019
     - any new releases of a specification can become a burden to implementers
       who feel compelled to always support the latest (even though they don't
       need to support the latest if they aren't using any of the latest
       features)
     - inter-community differences are at issue, not intra-community (if
       Europe supports 2.3 and Latin America only 2.1, then how "universal"
       is the Universal Business Language if they cannot be exchanged
       between communities)
     - does it make sense to use a three-level version, e.g. 2.2.1 not 2.3?
   - remember to become watchers of a ticket in order to get push
     notifications ... for example with the ticket number in ###:

       https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-###

   - open issues at: https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972


UBL Australian Localisation Subcommittee (ALSC)
   - nearing the end of validating the semantic model


UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee (PayFin)
   - work meeting coming up on Friday to finish up outstanding action items


UBL Post-award
   - nothing to report at this time


UBL Pre-award
   - new membership getting involved in this committee


UBL Small Business Subcommittee (SBSC)
   - nothing to report at this time


UBL Transportation Subcommittee (TSC)
   - nothing to report at this time


UBL Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee (NDRSC)
   - nothing to report at this time


JIRA tickets
   - available filters:
        - UBL 2.x - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
        - BDNDR   - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
        - All UBL - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670
        - TCAdmin - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070

   - when creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components
     by how they are described to be used as categories:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel
     - if you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up
       in the summary filter

   - status and resolution values:
     - NEW - the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in
             consideration or not for the development distribution
           - in order for the issue to become active work for the committee
             the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen
             in the "to do" filter
           - the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED
           - please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility:
             https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
     - OPEN - the issue is in consideration for the development distribution
            - keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation
            - please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever
              you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action
     - RESOLVED + Incomplete - the issue has been decided but not yet in test
     - RESOLVED + Applied - the issue is incorporated in test but not released
     - RESOLVED + Fixed - the issue is incorporated in a working draft version
     - RESOLVED + Later - the issue is still up for discussion for a future
                          minor revision but not the current development
     - RESOLVED + No Action - considered as no action for any distribution
     - RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce - considered as no action for distribution
     - APPLIED + Fixed - the issue is included in a public review (record the
                         availability of the disposition once review opened)
     - DEFERRED - the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision
                - please remember to use this when creating new tickets for
                  backwards-incompatible changes
    - see also the discussion on the status workflows here:
       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201709/msg00000.html

   - members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so
     that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket,
     without having to find the discussion on the main mail list

   - to find all of the OASIS TC Administration tickets related to UBL, use
     the https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 filter


SUBCOMMITTEE CONFERENCE CALLS

  - Australian Localisation Subcommittee will be meeting in the BDXR "off
    weeks" one hour in advance of the UBL Pacific call (00:00UTC)
  - Transportation Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at
    14:00UTC (will be using Peter's GotoMeeting facility), perhaps additional
    ad hoc meetings will be scheduled to catch up with backlog
  - other subcommittees will be meeting on an as-required basis


FACE-TO-FACE
  - if we had a face-to-face the week of 2019-09-23 then attendees could
    continue on to Vienna for the Exchange Summit conference the following
    week (as was convenient for some members in 2018)
    - offers to host from Zwolle (NL), Copenhagen (DK)
  - do we need a face-to-face in the southern US in February/March? If so,
    who do we know who could host us or sponsor a meeting venue?
    - this would be timed after the end of our first review so that we can
      work on a second review


TC CONFERENCE CALL SCHEDULE

2018-12-12 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/10:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-12-19 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/20:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/01:00UTC/12:00Sydney 2018-12-19 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/10:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe 2019-01-09 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/20:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/01:00UTC/12:00Sydney 2019-01-09 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/10:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe

  Outline of teleconference times for 2019:

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00000.html

  Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future?  For
  privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.

  TC calendar:
  http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl

  TC calendar iCal subscription link:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup_feeds/ical/my_vcalendar.ics?token=fa658a7994a6cefb10c10be09e139af3&workgroup_id=50


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