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Subject: Agenda of Atlantic UBL TC call 19 December 2018 15:00UTC
Agenda of Atlantic UBL TC call 19 December 2018 15:00UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=2018-12-19T15:00:00
2018-12-19 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/10:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe
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PACIFIC CALL ATTENDANCE
Kenneth Bengtsson
G. Ken Holman (convener)
Levine Naidoo
Regrets received in advance:
Todd Albers
REFERENCING THE SPECIFICATION
- one of the following should be used as a specific citation:
OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.2
OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
- the following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
- the canonical 2.2 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/
- the canonical 2.1 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.1/
- the ISO/IEC catalogue entry for UBL 2.1 is found at:
http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm/?csnumber=66370
- the ISO/IEC document and attachments for UBL 2.1 are found at:
http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/
STANDING ITEMS
Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
- Exchange Summit Singapore - November 4-5, 2019
Review of Pacific call minutes
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00017.html
Review of Atlantic call minutes
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00013.html
Membership status review
https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80
- voting status is determined by the following:
- existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
maintain voting status
- non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
voting status
- members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and
their voting status is not impacted
- current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
- Todd Albers
- Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web
Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
- Kenneth Bengtsson
- Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
- Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
- Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS
- Member CEN/TC434/WS8
- Peter Borresen
- DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7
- Kees Duvekot
- Member OASIS BDXR, Member of the Standaardisatieplatform
e-factureren
- Cécile Guasch
- Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2,
European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit)
- G. Ken Holman
- Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
- Ole Ellerbæk Madsen
- DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32
- Andrew Mitchell
- Natalie Muric
- Levine Naidoo
- Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, Member Fintech Australia
- Olli Pajari
- George Vernardos
- Matt Vickers
- Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition,
Director US Data Coalition
- active non-voting members
- Oriol Bausà Peris
- Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
- Roberto Cisternino
- IT Expert UN/CEFACT
- Matt Lewis
- Member Blockchain Association of Australia
- Steve Ryan
- Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
- Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH)
- members approaching gaining voting status after this meeting:
- Yves Jordan
- Matt Lewis
- members approaching losing voting status after this meeting:
- Olli Pajari
- new member orientation information:
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59647
UBL 2.2
- UBL 2.2 OASIS Standard is published:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/UBL-2.2.html
- Ken to begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845
- progress being made today with OASIS legal counsel
- Ken has contacted Paul Thorpe regarding his availability to help
with the creation of ASN.1 artefacts for UBL 2.2 ... this is what
we did with his help for UBL 2.1:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-2.1-ASN.1/v1.0/UBL-2.1-ASN.1-v1.0.html
UBL 2.3
- Cécile managing requirements for pre-award documents
- Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
- Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
- Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents
- Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
- Kees designated a co-editor of UBL 2.3 and is now in charge of the
production of the artefacts, with the assistance from Erlend as needed
- please progress unaddressed JIRA tickets, especially the ones from
UBL 2.2
- reminder about the calendar for UBL 2.3:
- working drafts at the end of 2018
- final OASIS Standard at the end of 2019
- final ISO Standard at the end of 2020
- we are not going to make the first deadline ... what do we expect
looking forward?
- should we review the release schedule?
- it is a long process to adopt new versions by users
- perception that even minor versions deprecate earlier versions
even though adopting an earlier version is compliant to a later
version
- creates uncertainty amongst regulators and law-makers
- should we abandon a formal schedule and just work ad hoc until we
think we are ready for a new version?
- do we have any knowledge of users using UBL 2.2?
- Europeans are using the bulk of new pre-award document types
- users have already been identified for UBL 2.3 for the end of 2019
- any new releases of a specification can become a burden to implementers
who feel compelled to always support the latest (even though they don't
need to support the latest if they aren't using any of the latest
features)
- inter-community differences are at issue, not intra-community (if
Europe supports 2.3 and Latin America only 2.1, then how "universal"
is the Universal Business Language if they cannot be exchanged
between communities)
- does it make sense to use a three-level version, e.g. 2.2.1 not 2.3?
- release numbers don't mean anything as long as we guarantee
backward compatibility which makes this purely an education issue
- a standard needs to be "alive" and continue to respond to users' needs
- maybe we can slow down on releases with the new extension point
- still need to be able to incorporate useful extensions as part of the
standard
- we are attracting new membership that needs new requirements to be met
- we are approaching consensus (not unanimity) that we proceed as we
have been proceeding with our dot releases and that we treat public
perception of our agile approach as an education issue to help people
understand what we are doing and the benefits
- we will close the debate for now at our next meeting with a conclusion
- action item: we need to more clearly document the changes and the
obligations (or lack thereof) of existing users of older versions
- https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-189
- remember to become watchers of a ticket in order to get push
notifications ... for example with the ticket number in ###:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-###
- open issues at: https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
UBL Australian Localisation Subcommittee (ALSC)
- news from Australia:
- bill passed for supply-chain transparency "Modern Slavery Bill"
- comes into effect January 1, 2019
- because Australia is predominantly a trading country in AsiaPac
and most of slavery happens in the area, companies need to show
transparency in their trading overseas (AU$50M and above) through
a reporting obligation
- this is an opportunity to pitch UBL for standardized data for the
correct information to be submitted
UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee (PayFin)
- anything to report at this time?
UBL Post-award
- anything to report at this time?
UBL Pre-award
- anything to report at this time?
UBL Small Business Subcommittee (SBSC)
- anything to report at this time?
UBL Transportation Subcommittee (TSC)
- anything to report at this time?
UBL Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee (NDRSC)
- anything to report at this time?
JIRA tickets
- available filters:
- UBL 2.x - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
- BDNDR - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
- All UBL - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670
- TCAdmin - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070
- when creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components
by how they are described to be used as categories:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel
- if you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up
in the summary filter
- status and resolution values:
- NEW - the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in
consideration or not for the development distribution
- in order for the issue to become active work for the committee
the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen
in the "to do" filter
- the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED
- please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
- OPEN - the issue is in consideration for the development distribution
- keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation
- please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever
you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action
- RESOLVED + Incomplete - the issue has been decided but not yet in test
- RESOLVED + Applied - the issue is incorporated in test but not released
- RESOLVED + Fixed - the issue is incorporated in a working draft version
- RESOLVED + Later - the issue is still up for discussion for a future
minor revision but not the current development
- RESOLVED + No Action - considered as no action for any distribution
- RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce - considered as no action for distribution
- APPLIED + Fixed - the issue is included in a public review (record the
availability of the disposition once review opened)
- DEFERRED - the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision
- please remember to use this when creating new tickets for
backwards-incompatible changes
- see also the discussion on the status workflows here:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201709/msg00000.html
- members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so
that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket,
without having to find the discussion on the main mail list
- to find all of the OASIS TC Administration tickets related to UBL, use
the https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 filter
SUBCOMMITTEE CONFERENCE CALLS
- Australian Localisation Subcommittee will be meeting in the BDXR "off
weeks" one hour in advance of the UBL Pacific call (00:00UTC)
- Transportation Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at
14:00UTC (will be using Peter's GotoMeeting facility), perhaps additional
ad hoc meetings will be scheduled to catch up with backlog
- other subcommittees will be meeting on an as-required basis
FACE-TO-FACE
- if we had a face-to-face the week of 2019-09-23 then attendees could
continue on to Vienna for the Exchange Summit conference the following
week (as was convenient for some members in 2018)
- offers to host from Zwolle (NL), Copenhagen (DK)
- do we need a face-to-face in the southern US in February/March? If so,
who do we know who could host us or sponsor a meeting venue?
- confirmed that we can hold a meeting in San Francisco hosted by
Tradeshift, so we have to decide some dates
- we cannot decide on a date until we know when the first public review
ends, so that we can work on the result at the meeting
- if the meeting gets pushed out to April/May then we have another
possible host of the US Fed in Minneapolis (possibly May 6-10??)
- can we go back to Tradeshift also regarding May 6-10 in San Francisco?
- this would be timed after the end of our first review so that we can
work on a second review
TC CONFERENCE CALL SCHEDULE
2018-12-19 UBL Atlantic -
09:00MSP/10:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-01-09 UBL Pacific -
19:00MSP/20:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/01:00UTC/12:00Sydney
2019-01-09 UBL Atlantic -
09:00MSP/10:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe
Outline of teleconference times for 2019:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00000.html
Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future? For
privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.
TC calendar:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
TC calendar iCal subscription link:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup_feeds/ical/my_vcalendar.ics?token=fa658a7994a6cefb10c10be09e139af3&workgroup_id=50
OTHER BUSINESS
- as comes forward
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