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Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH 0/2] introduce virtio-ism: internal shared memory device


On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:15:23 +0800, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 5:12 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:08:29 +0800, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 04:03:42PM +0800, Gerry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> 2022å10æ19æ 16:01ïJason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> åéï
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 3:00 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:54:22 +0800, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 8:31 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 16:17:31 +0800, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> Adding Stefan.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:47 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # Background
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Nowadays, there is a common scenario to accelerate communication between
> > > > >>>>>>> different VMs and containers, including light weight virtual machine based
> > > > >>>>>>> containers. One way to achieve this is to colocate them on the same host.
> > > > >>>>>>> However, the performance of inter-VM communication through network stack is not
> > > > >>>>>>> optimal and may also waste extra CPU cycles. This scenario has been discussed
> > > > >>>>>>> many times, but still no generic solution available [1] [2] [3].
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> With pci-ivshmem + SMC(Shared Memory Communications: [4]) based PoC[5],
> > > > >>>>>>> We found that by changing the communication channel between VMs from TCP to SMC
> > > > >>>>>>> with shared memory, we can achieve superior performance for a common
> > > > >>>>>>> socket-based application[5]:
> > > > >>>>>>>  - latency reduced by about 50%
> > > > >>>>>>>  - throughput increased by about 300%
> > > > >>>>>>>  - CPU consumption reduced by about 50%
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Since there is no particularly suitable shared memory management solution
> > > > >>>>>>> matches the need for SMC(See ## Comparison with existing technology), and virtio
> > > > >>>>>>> is the standard for communication in the virtualization world, we want to
> > > > >>>>>>> implement a virtio-ism device based on virtio, which can support on-demand
> > > > >>>>>>> memory sharing across VMs, containers or VM-container. To match the needs of SMC,
> > > > >>>>>>> the virtio-ism device need to support:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 1. Dynamic provision: shared memory regions are dynamically allocated and
> > > > >>>>>>>   provisioned.
> > > > >>>>>>> 2. Multi-region management: the shared memory is divided into regions,
> > > > >>>>>>>   and a peer may allocate one or more regions from the same shared memory
> > > > >>>>>>>   device.
> > > > >>>>>>> 3. Permission control: The permission of each region can be set seperately.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Looks like virtio-ROCE
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220511095900.343-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com/T/
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> and virtio-vhost-user can satisfy the requirement?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # Virtio ism device
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> ISM devices provide the ability to share memory between different guests on a
> > > > >>>>>>> host. A guest's memory got from ism device can be shared with multiple peers at
> > > > >>>>>>> the same time. This shared relationship can be dynamically created and released.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> The shared memory obtained from the device is divided into multiple ism regions
> > > > >>>>>>> for share. ISM device provides a mechanism to notify other ism region referrers
> > > > >>>>>>> of content update events.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # Usage (SMC as example)
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Maybe there is one of possible use cases:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> 1. SMC calls the interface ism_alloc_region() of the ism driver to return the
> > > > >>>>>>>   location of a memory region in the PCI space and a token.
> > > > >>>>>>> 2. The ism driver mmap the memory region and return to SMC with the token
> > > > >>>>>>> 3. SMC passes the token to the connected peer
> > > > >>>>>>> 3. the peer calls the ism driver interface ism_attach_region(token) to
> > > > >>>>>>>   get the location of the PCI space of the shared memory
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # About hot plugging of the ism device
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>   Hot plugging of devices is a heavier, possibly failed, time-consuming, and
> > > > >>>>>>>   less scalable operation. So, we don't plan to support it for now.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # Comparison with existing technology
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> ## ivshmem or ivshmem 2.0 of Qemu
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>   1. ivshmem 1.0 is a large piece of memory that can be seen by all devices that
> > > > >>>>>>>   use this VM, so the security is not enough.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>   2. ivshmem 2.0 is a shared memory belonging to a VM that can be read-only by all
> > > > >>>>>>>   other VMs that use the ivshmem 2.0 shared memory device, which also does not
> > > > >>>>>>>   meet our needs in terms of security.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> ## vhost-pci and virtiovhostuser
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>   Does not support dynamic allocation and therefore not suitable for SMC.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I think this is an implementation issue, we can support VHOST IOTLB
> > > > >>>>>> message then the regions could be added/removed on demand.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 1. After the attacker connects with the victim, if the attacker does not
> > > > >>>>>   dereference memory, the memory will be occupied under virtiovhostuser. In the
> > > > >>>>>   case of ism devices, the victim can directly release the reference, and the
> > > > >>>>>   maliciously referenced region only occupies the attacker's resources
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Let's define the security boundary here. E.g do we trust the device or
> > > > >>>> not? If yes, in the case of virtiovhostuser, can we simple do
> > > > >>>> VHOST_IOTLB_UNMAP then we can safely release the memory from the
> > > > >>>> attacker.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 2. The ism device of a VM can be shared with multiple (1000+) VMs at the same
> > > > >>>>>   time, which is a challenge for virtiovhostuser
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please elaborate more the the challenges, anything make
> > > > >>>> virtiovhostuser different?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I understand (please point out any mistakes), one vvu device corresponds to one
> > > > >>> vm. If we share memory with 1000 vm, do we have 1000 vvu devices?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There could be some misunderstanding here. With 1000 VM, you still
> > > > >> need 1000 virtio-sim devices I think.
> > > > >We are trying to achieve one virtio-ism device per vm instead of one virtio-ism device per SMC connection.
> > >
> > > I wonder if we need something to identify a virtio-ism device since I
> > > guess there's still a chance to have multiple virtio-ism device per VM
> > > (different service chain etc).
> >
> > Yes, there will be such a situation, a vm has multiple virtio-ism devices.
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by "identify"?
>
> E.g we can differ two virtio-net through mac address, do we need
> something similar for ism, or it's completely unncessary (e.g via
> token or other) ?

Currently, we have not encountered such a request.

It is conceivable that all physical shared memory ism regions are indexed by
tokens. virtio-ism is a way to obtain these ism regions, so there is no need to
distinguish multiple virtio-ism devices under one vm on the host.

Thanks.


>
> Thanks
>
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think we must achieve this if we want to meet the requirements of SMC.
> > > > In SMC, a SMC socket(Corresponding to a TCP socket) need 2 memory
> > > > regions(1 for Tx and 1 for Rx). So if we have 1K TCP connections,
> > > > we'll need 2K share memory regions, and those memory regions are
> > > > dynamically allocated and freed with the TCP socket.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 3. The sharing relationship of ism is dynamically increased, and virtiovhostuser
> > > > >>>>>   determines the sharing relationship at startup.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Not necessarily with IOTLB API?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Unlike virtio-vhost-user, which shares the memory of a vm with another vm, we
> > > > >>> provide the same memory on the host to two vms. So the implementation of this
> > > > >>> part will be much simpler. This is why we gave up virtio-vhost-user at the
> > > > >>> beginning.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ok, just to make sure we're at the same page. From spec level,
> > > > >> virtio-vhost-user doesn't (can't) limit the backend to be implemented
> > > > >> in another VM. So it should be ok to be used for sharing memory
> > > > >> between a guest and host.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> 4. For security issues, the device under virtiovhostuser may mmap more memory,
> > > > >>>>>   while ism only maps one region to other devices
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> With VHOST_IOTLB_MAP, the map could be done per region.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # Design
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>   This is a structure diagram based on ism sharing between two vms.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>    |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |------------------------------------------------|       |------------------------------------------------| |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | | Guest                                          |       | Guest                                          | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |                                                |       |                                                | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |   ----------------                             |       |   ----------------                             | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |   |    driver    |     [M1]   [M2]   [M3]      |       |   |    driver    |             [M2]   [M3]     | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |   ----------------       |      |      |       |       |   ----------------               |      |      | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |    |cq|                  |map   |map   |map    |       |    |cq|                          |map   |map   | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |    |  |                  |      |      |       |       |    |  |                          |      |      | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |    |  |                -------------------     |       |    |  |                --------------------    | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |----|--|----------------|  device memory  |-----|       |----|--|----------------|  device memory   |----| |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |    |  |                -------------------     |       |    |  |                --------------------    | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |                                |               |       |                               |                | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |                                |               |       |                               |                | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | | Qemu                           |               |       | Qemu                          |                | |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | |--------------------------------+---------------|       |-------------------------------+----------------| |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                  |                                                       |                  |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                  |                                                       |                  |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                  |------------------------------+------------------------|                  |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                                                 |                                           |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                                                 |                                           |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                                   --------------------------                                |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                                    | M1 |   | M2 |   | M3 |                                 |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                                   --------------------------                                |
> > > > >>>>>>>    |                                                                                                             |
> > > > >>>>>>>    | HOST                                                                                                        |
> > > > >>>>>>>    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> # POC code
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>   Kernel: https://github.com/fengidri/linux-kernel-virtio-ism/commits/ism
> > > > >>>>>>>   Qemu:   https://github.com/fengidri/qemu/commits/ism
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> If there are any problems, please point them out.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hope to hear from you, thank you.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://projectacrn.github.io/latest/tutorials/enable_ivshmem.html
> > > > >>>>>>> [2] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2847562
> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00368622/document
> > > > >>>>>>> [4] https://lwn.net/Articles/711071/
> > > > >>>>>>> [5] https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20220720170048.20806-1-tonylu@linux.alibaba.com/T/
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Xuan Zhuo (2):
> > > > >>>>>>>  Reserve device id for ISM device
> > > > >>>>>>>  virtio-ism: introduce new device virtio-ism
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> content.tex    |   3 +
> > > > >>>>>>> virtio-ism.tex | 340 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >>>>>>> 2 files changed, 343 insertions(+)
> > > > >>>>>>> create mode 100644 virtio-ism.tex
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>>> 2.32.0.3.g01195cf9f
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
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