RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for issue PR001"

["Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com>]

Bob,

You seem to be fine with the idea of allowing ALL attendees of a
conf-call to participate in a straw poll. So are you saying that even
for straw polls conducted during conf-calls, we should check for the
possibility of different results based on the voting status of the
attendees and then decide whether accepting the result was reasonable or
not! I hope not. 

You may be right about considering motivation for attending a call in
deciding elibility for voting on a straw poll in that call. But what
would be a criteria for deciding voting eligibility for electronic
straw-polls? Limiting the ballot to voting membership only doesn't seem
right, since there are no such rules for straw polls. I thought that by
becoming voting member in the past, a TC member has demonstrated certain
level of interest in this TC's business and should be allowed to
participate in the straw-poll. If they really don't care about the
issue, they shouldn't vote. OTOH, should the ballot be made accessible
to other non-voting members (with no history of voting status), or even
Observers? May be yes. That is actually why I sent out an email
describing the criteria applied for voting elibility, and I did not hear
any complains from the members excluded from voting.

If the TC wanted, we could spend a lot of time on today's call in
slicing and dicing the straw-poll results and perhaps conduct another
round of straw poll, etc. I wouldn't recommend that. Instead, I think we
should just finish the straw-poll and see if it gives us some clear
direction ... it's just a STRAW-POLL!

-- Sanjay

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Freund-Hitachi [mailto:bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 9:37 AM
>To: Patil, Sanjay; Bob Freund-Hitachi; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw 
>poll for issue PR001"
>
>Even on a straw poll, it is unreasonable to assume a conclusion if the
>result may be substantially different from the result one might achieve
>of a poll of voting members.
>At least when a straw poll is done on a call, it is limited to 
>those who
>are motivated to attend.
>-bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:44 PM
>To: Bob Freund-Hitachi; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for
>issue PR001"
>
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>This is a straw poll. Imagine conducting it in a live 
>conf-call or a F2F
>meeting. Would you necessarily exclude non voting members out of the
>straw poll?
>
>On the other hand, to keep the ballot fair and not abuse it by
>block-voting/stuffing, I expect that the TC members apply their own
>conscience/judgment in deciding whether to vote or not.
>
>-- Sanjay
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob Freund-Hitachi [mailto:bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 17:06 PM
>>To: Patil, Sanjay; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw 
>>poll for issue PR001"
>>
>>I think that is wrong and makes this poll irreverent.
>>I object on the face of it.
>>-bob
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:38 PM
>>To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for issue
>>PR001"
>>
>>
>>This it just to inform you that the members eligible to vote in this
>>straw poll include voting members as well as other members who have
>>shown some interest in this TC's business in the past (by 
>>being a voting
>>member at some point of time).  Hope folks are ok with this 
>sentiment. 
>>
>>Also FYI -- this ballot is not an *official* ballot, that is, it does
>>not count towards deciding voting status, etc.
>>
>>-- Sanjay
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org 
>>>[mailto:workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org] 
>>>Sent: Monday, Nov 13, 2006 12:39 PM
>>>To: Patil, Sanjay
>>>Subject: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for issue PR001"
>>>
>>>OASIS Web Services Reliable Exchange (WS-RX) TC member,
>>>
>>>A new ballot has been presented to OASIS Web Services Reliable 
>>>Exchange (WS-RX) TC.
>>>To vote on this ballot, go here:
>>>
>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1147
>>>
>>>Please DO NOT REPLY to this email; instead, vote using the 
>above link.
>>>
>>>The text of this ballot is as follows:
>>>---
>>>"Straw poll for issue PR001"
>>>Please choose your most favorite option.
>>>
>>>- Proposal by IBM - 
>>>http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-rx/200609/msg00014.html
>>>- Proposal by Microsoft - 
>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-rx/200611/msg00016.html
>>>- Close with no action
>>>- Other
>>>
>>>---
>>>
>>>The ballot closes Thursday, 16 November 2006 @ 16:00 ET.  
>>>Please vote before then by visiting:
>>>
>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1147
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>OASIS Open Administration
>>>
>>
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