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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for issue PR001"
Bob, You seem to be fine with the idea of allowing ALL attendees of a conf-call to participate in a straw poll. So are you saying that even for straw polls conducted during conf-calls, we should check for the possibility of different results based on the voting status of the attendees and then decide whether accepting the result was reasonable or not! I hope not. You may be right about considering motivation for attending a call in deciding elibility for voting on a straw poll in that call. But what would be a criteria for deciding voting eligibility for electronic straw-polls? Limiting the ballot to voting membership only doesn't seem right, since there are no such rules for straw polls. I thought that by becoming voting member in the past, a TC member has demonstrated certain level of interest in this TC's business and should be allowed to participate in the straw-poll. If they really don't care about the issue, they shouldn't vote. OTOH, should the ballot be made accessible to other non-voting members (with no history of voting status), or even Observers? May be yes. That is actually why I sent out an email describing the criteria applied for voting elibility, and I did not hear any complains from the members excluded from voting. If the TC wanted, we could spend a lot of time on today's call in slicing and dicing the straw-poll results and perhaps conduct another round of straw poll, etc. I wouldn't recommend that. Instead, I think we should just finish the straw-poll and see if it gives us some clear direction ... it's just a STRAW-POLL! -- Sanjay >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Freund-Hitachi [mailto:bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com] >Sent: Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 9:37 AM >To: Patil, Sanjay; Bob Freund-Hitachi; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw >poll for issue PR001" > >Even on a straw poll, it is unreasonable to assume a conclusion if the >result may be substantially different from the result one might achieve >of a poll of voting members. >At least when a straw poll is done on a call, it is limited to >those who >are motivated to attend. >-bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:44 PM >To: Bob Freund-Hitachi; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for >issue PR001" > > >Hi Bob, > >This is a straw poll. Imagine conducting it in a live >conf-call or a F2F >meeting. Would you necessarily exclude non voting members out of the >straw poll? > >On the other hand, to keep the ballot fair and not abuse it by >block-voting/stuffing, I expect that the TC members apply their own >conscience/judgment in deciding whether to vote or not. > >-- Sanjay > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bob Freund-Hitachi [mailto:bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 17:06 PM >>To: Patil, Sanjay; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >>Subject: RE: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw >>poll for issue PR001" >> >>I think that is wrong and makes this poll irreverent. >>I object on the face of it. >>-bob >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] >>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:38 PM >>To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >>Subject: [ws-rx] RE: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for issue >>PR001" >> >> >>This it just to inform you that the members eligible to vote in this >>straw poll include voting members as well as other members who have >>shown some interest in this TC's business in the past (by >>being a voting >>member at some point of time). Hope folks are ok with this >sentiment. >> >>Also FYI -- this ballot is not an *official* ballot, that is, it does >>not count towards deciding voting status, etc. >> >>-- Sanjay >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org >>>[mailto:workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org] >>>Sent: Monday, Nov 13, 2006 12:39 PM >>>To: Patil, Sanjay >>>Subject: Groups - oasis - New ballot "Straw poll for issue PR001" >>> >>>OASIS Web Services Reliable Exchange (WS-RX) TC member, >>> >>>A new ballot has been presented to OASIS Web Services Reliable >>>Exchange (WS-RX) TC. >>>To vote on this ballot, go here: >>> >>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1147 >>> >>>Please DO NOT REPLY to this email; instead, vote using the >above link. >>> >>>The text of this ballot is as follows: >>>--- >>>"Straw poll for issue PR001" >>>Please choose your most favorite option. >>> >>>- Proposal by IBM - >>>http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-rx/200609/msg00014.html >>>- Proposal by Microsoft - >>>http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-rx/200611/msg00016.html >>>- Close with no action >>>- Other >>> >>>--- >>> >>>The ballot closes Thursday, 16 November 2006 @ 16:00 ET. >>>Please vote before then by visiting: >>> >>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1147 >>> >>>Thank you, >>>OASIS Open Administration >>> >> >
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