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Subject: RE: [ws-tx] Groups - WS-TX Bi-Weekly Concall modified
Alistair, At the end of the day these are issues that you submitted and as chair this week I will be looking to you to lead the discussion in any case. At this point I would just say let's see how the discussion goes Thursday rather than try to tweak the agenda further. Thanks, Eric +1 781 902 8366 fax: +1 781 902 8009 blog: www.iona.com/blogs/newcomer Making Software Work Together (TM) -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Green [mailto:alastair.green@choreology.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:04 PM To: Ian Robinson Cc: Newcomer, Eric; ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [ws-tx] Groups - WS-TX Bi-Weekly Concall modified Ian, I have no problem with issue 008 being discussed in advance of issue 009. I disagree with the approach of seeking to isolate or sequence the three issues 007, 009 and 014. I think that will make the discussion less clear. It is no accident that the email discussion has referenced all three issues (in substance) in the same breath -- and indeed, their interconnectedness (in terms of the original design intent, and the proposed alternatives) have become more apparent as the discussion has progressed. I don't want to focus on procedure -- the reality is that the discussion on 007 (and at least one proposed resolution) will inevitably involve discussion of the R/R MEP, as I think is evidenced by the recent e-mail exchanges, and similarly, of the multiple virtues (or demerits) of using participant ids. My worry is that we artificially attempt to segregate the strands of the substantive technical discussion. If we discuss 007, but do not reach for an immediate resolution, then that will help to inform the resolution of all three issues. Obviously the TC will have to decide how to proceed on the day. Alastair Ian Robinson wrote: > > > Alastair, the first business on the last call was to accept a request to > move issue 9 off the agenda and replace it with issue 8. In the end, we did > not get as far as discussing issue 8, but that is why issue 8 is on this > week's agenda rather than issue 9. > > While issue 9 may have some dependency on the outcome of issue 7 I do not > believe any discussion of issue 9 is required in order to address 7. > The same is true of issue 14. > > I think we'll be doing well to get through this week's agenda as it stands. > If we succeed in resolving 7, I'd anticipate issues 9 and 14 being on the > agenda of one of the next few telecons. It may be easy to get to grips with > #7 if we don't throw too much in the pot at the same time. > > Regards, > Ian Robinson > STSM, WebSphere Messaging and Transactions Architect > IBM Hursley Lab, UK > ian_robinson@uk.ibm.com > > > > Alastair Green > <alastair.green@c > horeology.com> To > Ian Robinson/UK/IBM@IBMGB > 20/01/2006 14:42 cc > ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject > Re: [ws-tx] Groups - WS-TX > Bi-Weekly Concall modified > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ian, > > My apologies first of all for not making the last meeting. > > Looking at the minutes, it seems that issue 009 (RR MEP useful?) was > deferred for lack of time, but does not appear on the proposed agenda for > next week. > > In my view issues 007 (RR retriable), 009 and 014 (EPRs comparable, > participant ids) are closely related and the e-mail discussion has > criss-crossed all three. Therefore I would propose that the agenda group > them together for initial discussion rather than trying to pick them off in > isolation. (Each will obviously need a specific resolution, but it is > difficult to arrive at resolutions without considering the three together.) > > In the light of the discussion on procedure, it may help if I liaise with > Peter to post precise written motions in advance of the meeting with > proposed resolutions on these three issues. > > I would like to propose an additional agenda item: "Posting canonical > versions of schemas and WSDL for reference in issues and issue > resolutions". I have mailed the list twice on this topic, and I believe > this can be resolved by a simple action item on the spec editors. > > Regards, > > Alastair > > ian_robinson@uk.ibm.com wrote: > WS-TX Bi-Weekly Concall has been modified by Dr Ian Robinson > > Date: Thursday, 26 January 2006 > Time: 11:30am - 01:00pm ET > > Event Description: > US (toll free) 866-505-4412 > UK (toll free) 0800 279 9193 > Int'l (toll) +44-20-7019-0808 > Passcode: 268450 > > Chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/wstx > > Agenda: > Draft agenda....... > > 1. Roll Call - chair > > 2. Confirm Paul as minute taker - chair > > 3. Approve minutes of Jan 12 telecon - chair > > 4. Call for AOB - chair > > 5. Action Review - Paul > ?? > > 6. Potential new issues to accept - Colleen > Brief statement of each proposed new issue. There is no need to > consider the merit of any proposed resolution at this stage. In > general the TC will accept issues that are not reopening resolved > issues and that are in-scope. Accepted issues move from "review" > state to "active" state. > i0xx New issue.... > > 7. Issue resolution > i018 split out of 002 a) - Distinguish example from normative, for > subordinated CreateCoordinationContext behaviour > i019 Split out 002 b)-- Avoid normative reference to subcoordinator > identifier inheritance > i020 Split out 002 c) -- Avoid normative statements on sameness of > super- and sub-coordinator coordination types > i021 Split out 002 d) -- Avoid normative statements on timing of > sub-coordinator registration > There is a concrete proposal that covers all 4 of these issues: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/email/archives/200601 /msg00022.html > > > i008 Remove fault 4.6 AlreadyRegistered > i007 Make Register/RegisterResponse retriable > i017 Inconsistencies in OASIS templates > i015 Replace namespace and action URIs > > 8. AOB > > 9. Straggler Roll Call > > 10. Close > > Minutes: > > > This event is one in a list of recurring events. > Other event dates in this series: > > Thursday, 01 December 2005, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 15 December 2005, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 12 January 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 09 February 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 23 February 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 09 March 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 23 March 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 06 April 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 20 April 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 04 May 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 18 May 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 01 June 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 15 June 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 29 June 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 13 July 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 27 July 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 10 August 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 24 August 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 07 September 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 21 September 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 05 October 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 19 October 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 02 November 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 16 November 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > Thursday, 30 November 2006, 11:30am to 01:00pm ET > > View event details: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/event.php?event_id=89 82 > > > PLEASE NOTE: If the above link does not work for you, your email > application may be breaking the link into two pieces. You may be > able to > copy and paste the entire link address into the address field of your > web > browser. > > > > > BEGIN:VCALENDAR > METHOD:PUBLISH > VERSION:2.0 > PRODID:-//Kavi Corporation//NONSGML Kavi Groups//EN > X-WR-CALNAME:My Calendar > BEGIN:VEVENT > CATEGORIES:MEETING > STATUS:TENTATIVE > DTSTAMP:20060119T000000Z > DTSTART:20060126T163000Z > DTEND:20060126T180000Z > SEQUENCE:9 > SUMMARY:WS-TX Bi-Weekly Concall > DESCRIPTION:US (toll free) 866-505-4412\nUK (toll free) 0800 279 > 9193\nInt'l > (toll) +44-20-7019-0808\nPasscode: 268450\n\nChat room: > http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/wstx\n\nGroup: OASIS Web > Services > Transaction (WS-TX) TC\nCreator: Eric Newcomer > URL: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/event.php?event_id=89 82 > > UID: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/event.php?event_id=89 82 > > END:VEVENT > END:VCALENDAR > > >
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