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Subject: Re: [ws-tx] Issue 058 - definition of Referencing Specification
+1 Peter Furniss wrote: > Ram asks: > > "Why should a specification make such a general statement?" > > Precisely because we do not know what the RS will be or want to do, and > we wish to make sure that restrictions are not implied by our silence. > For example, to make sure the following statements are invalid: > > - WS-C can only be used for transaction protocols > > - If <x> is optional in WS-C, an RS cannot forbid <x> when WS-C > is used with the RS > > - If <x> is optional in WS-C, an RS cannot require <x> when WS-C > is used with the RS > > - This protocol A cannot legitimately use WS-C because the > specification of A is proprietary and unpublished > > - This end-user application cannot use WS-C because what is > added to WS-C is only defined in some of the comments in the code > > Of course, if we are sure no-one would be so daft as to make any of > those statements, then we don't need to have the longer RS definition. > But some remarkably daft statements are sometimes made about standards > and having chapter and verse to contradict them can be useful. > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ram Jeyaraman [mailto:Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com] > Sent: 05 May 2006 19:21 > To: Mark Little > Cc: ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [ws-tx] Issue 058 - definition of Referencing Specification > > > We really do not know at this point, how this affects other > specifications and implementations, and what the implications are. > > Why should a specification make such a general statement? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@jboss.com] > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:27 AM > To: Ram Jeyaraman > Cc: ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [ws-tx] Issue 058 - definition of Referencing Specification > > I disagree. In fact, how much more general a definition can you get ;-)? > > Mark. > > > Ram Jeyaraman wrote: > >> It is hard to anticipate how other specifications from other standards >> > > >> bodies that may refer to the WS-Coordination specification are defined >> > > >> and used. Further, the current WS-Coordination specification does not >> preclude the possibility of referencing specifications restricting the >> > > >> optional behavior described in the WS-Coordination specification. >> >> So, it is probably best not to make a statement about Referencing >> specifications. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ram Jeyaraman [mailto:Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com] >> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:52 PM >> To: ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [ws-tx] Issue 058 - definition of Referencing Specification >> >> This is identified as WS-TX issue 058. >> >> Please ensure follow-ups have a subject line starting "Issue 058 - >> definition of Referencing Specification". >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@jboss.com] >> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:21 AM >> To: ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [ws-tx] NEW issue: definition of Referencing Specification >> >> NOTE: Please defer discussions on this issue until a time this issue >> > is > >> accepted and is assigned a number by the TC. >> >> Reference documents: >> >> >> > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/download.php/17311/ws > >> tx-wscoor-1.1-spec-cd-01.pdf >> >> with amendment from issue 030 >> >> Description: >> >> Text within WS-C refers to Referencing Specification. We have no >> > formal > >> definition of that. >> >> Resolution: >> >> One or more other specifications, such as (but not limited to) >> WS-AtomicTransaction may reference the WS-Coordination specification. >> Referencing Specifications are generally used to construct concrete >> protocols based on WS-Coordination. The usage of optional items in >> WS-Coordination, or those protocol aspects where terms such as MAY or >> SHOULD are used, may be further restricted by the requirements of a >> Referencing Specification. For the purpose of this document, the term >> > > >> Referencing Specification covers both formal specifications and more >> general applications that use WS-Coordination. >> >> Mark. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
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