Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation definitions

["Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>]

Yes absolutely, but how does that affect BPEL? As far as BPEL is
concerned, there's a single message which is sent/received- whether
some of the stuff goes as headers, others by carrier pigeon and the
rest via SOAP body is not anyone but the binding's business.

Sanjiva.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
To: "Ron Ten-Hove" <Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM>; "Sanjiva Weerawarana"
<sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation definitions


I conclude from this that my WSIF example seems appropriate for this
discussion. WSIF would be able to support a case like the one I gave for
issue 77, and it would be able to map the "Header" abstract message to any
particular binding I want to express (including, but not limited to, SOAP -
in particular, bindings that don't even have the concept of a header)). Is
that correct?

Ugo

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ten-Hove [mailto:Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Sanjiva Weerawarana
Cc: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation definitions


WSIF is a set of bindings for Java and J2EE; it doesn't extend WSDL in any
non-standard way that I am aware of. WSIF "understands" WSDL files that use
those bindings. The message model is plain WSDL 1.1.

-Ron

Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:


I'm confused .. can you give an example of what you mean by

"abstract messages that are not part of an abstract operation"?

Maybe I haven't understood what you have in mind ..



Thanks,



Sanjiva.



----- Original Message -----

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<sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>; "Francisco Curbera"

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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:04 AM

Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation definitions







So are you saying that WSIF can only process a subset of all the legal



(according to WSDL 1.1) WSDL files? (Please notice that I am not talking

about adding any extension at the abstract level - just supporting what is

allowed by WSDL 1.1)



Ugo





-----Original Message-----

From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [ mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:00 PM

To: Ugo Corda; Francisco Curbera

Cc: Ron Ten-Hove; Satish Thatte;  wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org;

ygoland@bea.com

Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation

definitions





"Ugo Corda"   <mailto:UCorda@SeeBeyond.com> <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com> writes:



Just curious: does WSIF allow you to define abstract



messages that are not

part of an abstract operation?



Ugo



No it doesn't; WSIF only adds additional bindings to WSDL,

not anything

at the abstract level.



Sanjiva.











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