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Subject: Fw: Minutes of the teleconference held on 18th October






The minutes are posted here:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/9736
and attached as html.

(See attached file: WSRF TC [18Oct04] notes[1].htm)



Regards, Tim Banks
IBM TP Architecture & Technology. Hursley, UK.
Phone: External +44 1962 815639, Internal 245639
Title: WSRF TC notes

Notes from the OASIS WSRF TC Teleconference on
18th October 2004

 

Roll call

 

The roll call is kept on the TC web site under the meeting record.

See http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrf/event.php?event_id=4805

Approval of minutes from previous telecon (4th October)

 

See: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/9624

There were no comments on the minutes and no objections to approving them.

Other Action Review

(Glen) Propose wording to resolve issue 20 (Notification message format) to mailing list. (Carried fwd from 23rd August).  Carry Fwd

(SteveG) Propose text for issue 27. (Carried fwd from 23rd August) Modify to be more restful.  Done.
(DavidL) Contact providers of requirements to check completeness of Requirements doc, and Provide an appendix to the requirements document which describes use cases. Still running (4th Oct).  Feedback has been received. David appealed for use cases to support the requirements.

(William) Write resolution text for issue 24.  Done

(Bryan) Move issue 24 to ‘resolved’. Done

(?) Send a letter to W3C about the problem with XPath/namepaces. Carry fwd to next call and review Malaika note:  Action: Igor to review.

(Chairs) Continue discussion of Issue 1 See below



Acceptance of New Issues to the issue list

 

None.

 

Review proposed agenda for Oct F2F

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrf/email/archives/200410/msg00059.html

(IanR)…reviewed the agenda. Also, there are two new requests have been received:

è      Steve Graham to demonstrate WS-RP on mobile device.

è      Proposal to discuss which side of the fence (WSDM or WSRF) aggregation/iterator should fall. This is also known as issue 65.

(IanR) Is there anything else that needs to be covered?

(DaveS) This may come up on the interop discussion, which will reveal whether the specs are ready, but we need a schedule/roadmap for when the specs might be finished.

(IanR) Other items should be emailed to the list.


Issue review


Reference material: Issues doc: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrf/download.php/9679/WSRF_IssuesList.doc


WSRF1: portType aggregation
Last e-mail discussion: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrf/200409/msg00060.html
We also need to consider WSRF71 at the same time: Need normative rules for property composition.

 

(DaveS) There are two parts to this: what info is needed (immediate parent or transitive closure  and where the info is kept (portType attributes, resource property, metadata)

(IanR) There has been no further email since the last call when we nearly voted on this issue.
(?) Should we wait until the metadata proposal (Issue 10) is available before deciding this?

(Bryan) Issue 71 (copy/paste of properties) is also related to this.

Action: Discuss at the face-to-face.


WSRF 4: GetResourceProperty for doc with xsd:any


Last e-mail; http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrf/200410/msg00053.html

Proposed: to adopt the resolution documented:

No objections.

Action(Bryan):  Move issue 4 to ‘resolved’

 

WSRF27: GetAllResourceProperties
References: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrf/download.php/9574
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrf/email/archives/200410/msg00049.html

 

 

Shall we deal with the ‘put’ proposal together with Issue 27 (get) or as a separate issue?

(Igor) There are two questions for the ‘put’: what to do with parts of the replacement that are missing (they should be deleted?), and the validity of the new document. Validity could be checked in the application or in the infrastructure.

 

(IanR) It would be better to treat this separately since there are some complications.

(DaveS) And there are possible interactions

 

Proposed(Ian), seconded DaveS: To adopt the ‘getResourcePropertyDocument’ operation which returns a the single document approach.

No Objections.

Action(Bryan) Move Issue 27 to ‘resolved’

Action(Igor): Open SetResourceProperties document issue.

 

WSRF 25: Update fault messages should be more informative

(IanR) I will take the action to create the schema.

(Tom) Why is this needed? Couldn’t a client retrieve the Properties document and find out what’s wrong?

(DaveS) It’s useful to know so that the client can recover from partial completion.

(IanR) The response could be an optional implementation- clients can make use of it.

(TimB) But being optional leaves the clients in doubt about what the server can do – they must cope with the worst case

(Fred) It’s always possible that a client has to recover from not getting a response message.

Action (IanR) to write proposal to the list, based on the discussion.

 

 

WSRF26: No fault defined to indicate invalid values

 

(DaveS) My instinct is to drop this.

(IanR) This was captured out of the interop meeting before the TC started up.

(TomR) This seems towards sending the maximal information, using bandwidth unnecessarily.

Proposed (DaveS), seconded (Alan) This issue should be dropped.

No Objections

Action:(Bryan) Close with no change

WSRF49: Describe the format used for the pseudo-schema

(MartinC) This was discussed at the f2f, we just need to resolve the text.

Action: Text editors to decide which proposal is best and apply it consistently.

 

AOB

None.

 

Meeting closed 13:25 est

Summary of actions

(Glen) Propose wording to resolve issue 20 (Notification message format) to mailing list. (Carried fwd from 23rd August).

(All/DavidL) Review requirements Doc: (4th October). David appealed for use cases to support the requirements.

(Chairs) Add to the face-to-face agenda a discussion of:  Issue 1: portType aggregation and associated issue 71: Rules for Property composition.

(Bryan):  Move issues 4 and 27 to ‘resolved’

(Igor): Open SetResourcePropertiesDocument issue.

(Ian): Write proposal  for issue WSRF 25 more informative fault messages.)

(Bryan):  Move issue 26 to ‘closed’

(Text editors): Decide which proposal is best to resolve issue WSRF49 (Pseudo-schema language in the specs) and apply it consistently.

 



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