Re: [wsrm] We need to reschedule WS-RM conference call

["iwasa" <kiwasa@jp.fujitsu.com>]

Sorry, I meant 7/15 instead of 8/15,
and 7/22 instead of 8/22.
Thanks,

Iwasa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "iwasa" <kiwasa@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: <tom@coastin.com>
Cc: <wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [wsrm] We need to reschedule WS-RM conference call


> I am planning to attend the call on 8/15.
> And I am available on 8/22 also, if
> we are going to have the call on the week.
>
> Iwasa
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Rutt" <tom@coastin.com>
> To: <tom@coastin.com>
> Cc: "Alan Weissberger" <ajwdct@technologist.com>;
> <wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [wsrm] We need to reschedule WS-RM conference call
>
>
> > Tom Rutt wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps if enough people can attend we can get some work done with a
> > "not counting towards
> > voting " meeting.
> >
> >
> > We schedule our meetings way in advance.
> >
> > One alternative, if not enought people can attend,  would be skip this
> > 15 th meeting
> > but have meetings on the 22nd and 29 th . (i.e postponed the 15th
> > meeting by one week, keeping
> > the scheduled meting for the 29th as is.
> >
> > Again, let me know if you can or cannot attend the WSRM meeting on the
> > 15th..  Also let me know if you could attend on the 22nd, as an
> > alternate to the 15th meeting.
> >
> > Tom Rutt
> > WSRM chair
> >
> > >
> > > I would prefer to go ahead with the call, and give a special "excused"
> > > absence
> > > to people who go on an inteligence gathering mission in Redmond during
> > > our conference meeting.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you could arrange for a small room with call in for those who
> > > are together
> > > in Redmond.
> > >
> > > Anyway, who will be able to attend the Tuesday Teleconference?
> > >
> > > I am able to attend and run the meeting.
> > >
> > > Please respond either if you know you will or know you will not
> > > atttend on tuesday.
> > >
> > > Changing dates is not a good Idea.  There are too many people with
> > > schedule calls at various
> > > times.
> > >
> > > Tom Rutt
> > > WSRM Chair
> > >
> > > PS, If there were some comments from that group to be discussed on
> > > changes to our
> > > WS-Reliability requirements and spec to avoid "collisions" with their
> > > architecture, we could
> > > vote to let the experts at that meeting to Join our call for
> > > discussion purposes.
> > >
> > > Alan wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom
> > >>
> > >> In the interests of harmony and peace, I suggest postponing the call.
> > >> How about later the same week?
> > >>
> > >> alan
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>
> > >> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:34:48 -0400
> > >> To: Doug Bunting <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop
> > >> Invitation --   Please Forward as Appropriate]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I just realized, that Tuesday July 15 is the date for our WSRM
> > >>> conference call
> > >>> from 2:30 to 4:30 Pacific time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tom Rutt
> > >>> \
> > >>> Doug Bunting wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Colleen,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If specifications are separated appropriately, separate and
> > >>>> independent development should be straight-forward.  Are you saying
> > >>>> Microsoft has done a poor job architecting GXA?  Composability of
> > >>>> the results and broad involvement in specification development
> > >>>> should not be contradictory aims.  Besides all that, one of the
> > >>>> main enemies of interoperability is competitive specifications.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sun strongly agrees with the points Magdolna and Alan have already
> > >>>> raised.  If WS-ReliableMessaging, unlike at least BPEL4WS and
> > >>>> WS-Security, cannot be brought forward without the rest of the
> > >>>> architecture you are developing, fine.  Please submit the whole
> > >>>> ball of wax to this or another standards venue.  We believe
> > >>>> specifications need to be publicly and openly discussed and
> > >>>> improved before they are designated as standards.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> thanx,
> > >>>>    doug
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 07-Jul-03 07:22, Tom Rutt wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I forward this from Colleen Evans, from Microsoft.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Subject:
> > >>>>> FW: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation -- 
> > >>>>> Please Forward as Appropriate
> > >>>>> From:
> > >>>>> "Colleen Evans" <coevans@microsoft.com>
> > >>>>> Date:
> > >>>>> Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:18:30 -0700
> > >>>>> To:
> > >>>>> "Tom Rutt" <tom@coastin.com>, "Doug Bunting"
<doug.bunting@Sun.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Tom and Doug,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I received a reject from the TC list (only contributing members
> > >>>>> may post).  As I believe Magdolna and Alan are both out of the
> > >>>>> office, could one of you please forward this to the list?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Colleen
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *From:* Colleen Evans
> > >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:08 PM
> > >>>>> *To:* 'Alan Weissberger'; magdolna.gerendai@nokia.com
> > >>>>> *Cc:* wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org; Felipe Cabrera
> > >>>>> *Subject:* RE: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop
> > >>>>> Invitation -- Please Forward as Appropriate
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Magdolna and Alan,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We are soliciting technical input that relates to improving
> > >>>>> technical aspects such as the performance, simplicity, robustness
> > >>>>> and composability of the WS-ReliableMessaging specification.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> A core requirement that drives the WS-ReliableMessaging
> > >>>>> specification is maintaining architectural cohesion within the
> > >>>>> specification and in relation to other web services specifications
> > >>>>> (WS-Security, Policy, and so on) and composability with other
> > >>>>> specifications that describe assurances (e.g. WS-Transactions).
> > >>>>> It is therefore very hard to proceed on final design of any one
> > >>>>> particular specification without commensurate progress on the
> > >>>>> others.  Separating this specification?s process from the other
> > >>>>> Web Services specifications it composes with would harm the goals
> > >>>>> of composability and architectural coherence. A litmus test for
> > >>>>> the web services architecture is /bone fide/ interoperability and
> > >>>>> composability demonstrated between various implementations from
> > >>>>> several vendors.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The authors have organized this workshop to solicit public input
> > >>>>> and discussion on these specifications while they are early in
> > >>>>> their development.  We believe that specifications need to
> > >>>>> demonstrate their value before it is appropriate to consider
> > >>>>> designating them a standard. Successful workshops with community
> > >>>>> input facilitate reaching the interoperability and composability
> > >>>>> target needed to assure that these specifications meet their
> > >>>>> goals. As the specification matures and this extent of
> > >>>>> interoperability has been demonstrated, the authors will decide on
> > >>>>> the appropriate relation to standards organizations and/or any
> > >>>>> other specification efforts.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Colleen
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *From:* Alan Weissberger [mailto:ajwdct@technologist.com]
> > >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2003 9:27 AM
> > >>>>> *To:* magdolna.gerendai@nokia.com; Colleen Evans
> > >>>>> *Cc:* wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org; Felipe Cabrera
> > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop
> > >>>>> Invitation -- Please Forward as Appropriate
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Colleen
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What standards body are you planning to take your revised spec
> > >>>>> to?  As far as I know, OASIS is the only appropriate standards
> > >>>>> body for this work.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As I mentioned to you today, not only is the WS-RM TC open, but we
> > >>>>> ARE NOT about to rubber stamp the spec that was brought in to
> > >>>>> initiate the TC.
> > >>>>> The WS-RM TC members have spent all our time and efforts on
> > >>>>> establishing functional requirements.  These will be incorporate
> > >>>>> into the spec (with additions and deletions), as agreed.  For
> > >>>>> example, on last week's telecon we got rid of Message ID, as it
> > >>>>> was considered to be redundant with Group ID/Sequence number as a
> > >>>>> unique identifier.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> At GGF8 in Seattle, I talked to Felipe Cabrera of Microsoft about
> > >>>>> participating in the WS-RM TC.  He was not very receptive and told
> > >>>>> me to read your spec, as it was clearly superior.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My opinion is that competing specs are harmful to the industry.
> > >>>>> It would be great if the two WS RM'g specs could be consolidated/
> > >>>>> merged to incorporate the best features of both.  This could take
> > >>>>> place in  the WS-RM TC if Microsoft and the other authors decided
> > >>>>> to participate.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I will attend your workshop on July 15, but will not offer any
> > >>>>> opinions or suggestions on how Microsoft and other authors should
> > >>>>> progress the work on Reliable Messaging..
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sincerely
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> alan
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Alan Weissberger
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Technical Consultant- NEC
> > >>>>> 2013 Acacia Ct
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Santa Clara, CA 95050-3482
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1 408 863 6042 voice
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1 408 863 6099 fax
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From:
> > >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:13:22 +0200
> > >>>>> To:
> > >>>>> Subject: [wsrm] RE: WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation
> > >>>>> -- Please Forward as Appropriate
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Colleen,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm a bit surprised. And have a question based on the quote from
> > >>>>> the document you sent:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The authors of the Specification intend to submit a revised
> > >>>>> version of the Specification to a standards body with a commitment
> > >>>>> to grant a royalty-free license to their necessary patents.  We
> > >>>>> need assurance that your feedback and discussions are consistent
> > >>>>> with that goal.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Why don't they join to the OASIS WS-RM TC to work on ONE
> > >>>>> WS-Reliability standard instead of going to standardize another
> > >>>>> one ? The OASIS WS-RM TC is open.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> br,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Magdolna
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> *From:* ext Colleen Evans [mailto:coevans@microsoft.com]
> > >>>>> *Sent:* July 03,2003 3:46
> > >>>>> *Subject:* WS-ReliableMessaging Spec Workshop Invitation -- Please
> > >>>>> Forward as Appropriate
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The authors of the recently-published WS-ReliableMessaging
> > >>>>> specification are hosting a 1-day meeting on July 15, 2003, 9am to
> > >>>>> 5pm, to discuss this specification.  This meeting will be held in
> > >>>>> Building 21, Columbia conference room on the Microsoft campus in
> > >>>>> Redmond, WA.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is an ad-hoc, open forum for 1) *SPECIFICATION AUTHORS* to
> > >>>>> share background information on the design of the specifications
> > >>>>> and to receive feedback and 2) *SOFTWARE VENDORS* to discuss their
> > >>>>> ideas about the practicality of implementing these and related Web
> > >>>>> Services specifications.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We'd like this to be an open meeting and collect a broad range of
> > >>>>> ideas. If you are interested in participating in the discussions,
> > >>>>> please reply to this mail by *EOD 11 July 2003*.  Feel free to
> > >>>>> pass this invitation along to other potential participants, either
> > >>>>> in your company or elsewhere.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Note that in order to attend, the attached legal agreement MUST be
> > >>>>> signed by each attendee.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thank you and we look forward to seeing you soon.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Colleen Evans
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> XML Web Services Standards
> > >>>>> Microsoft Corporation
> > >>>>> 303 791-3090 or 425 703-9066
> > >>>>> Mobile: 720 480-3919
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>
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