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Subject: Re: [wsrm] Fix for Message ID and Sequence Number sections
I'm a little bit confused since the text is a
little bit different between Tom's and Sunil's.
(I don't think there is duplicate MUST in the sentence,
but Sunil's mailer might not show what Tom
described correctly. See pictures attached if that is the case.)
And please let me know which one we want to adopt.
Thanks,
Iwasa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunil Kunisetty" <sunil.kunisetty@oracle.com>
To: <tom@coastin.com>
Cc: "wsrm" <wsrm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [wsrm] Fix for Message ID and Sequence Number sections
Tom,
While I've some specific comments inlined below, I've a general comment
about
the tables in Section 3.0.
I'd like to propose that we remove the Fault row from each of tables for
elements for the following reasons:
- We anyway explain the Faults in section 4. So this information is
redundant
and duplicate. The request came in when we didn't have elaborate Section
4.
- Not every Fault happens because of Header elements
- Some elements can cause more than one Fault because of sub-elements or
attributes. For ex., a MessageHeader element can cause
InvalidMessageParameters
fault or InvalidReplyPattern fault or InvalidMessageId etc. WHile some
such nested
faults are captured, all of them are not.
Tom Rutt wrote:
> I propose the attached changes for sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 (
>
> This change involves:
> - nesting of the existing 3.1.2 inside 3.1.1.
> - the proper use of MUST, and MAY for element and attribute inclusion, and
> - moving the staement on presence of group termination parameters to a
> more proper location.
>
> Tom Rutt
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@fsw.fujitsu.com
> Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133
>
>
>
>
me specific comments inlined below, I've a general
comment about
<br> the tables in Section 3.0.
<p> I'd like to propose that we remove the Fault row from each of
tables for
<br> elements for the following reasons:
<br> - We anyway explain the Faults in section 4. So this information
is redundant
<br> and duplicate. The request came in when we didn't have
elaborate Section 4.
<br> - Not every Fault happens because of Header elements
<br>- Some elements can cause more than one Fault because of sub-elements
or
<br> attributes. For ex., a MessageHeader element can cause
InvalidMessageParameters
<br> fault or InvalidReplyPattern fault or InvalidMessageId
etc. WHile some such nested
<br> faults are captured, all of them are not.
<p>Tom Rutt wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<pre WRAP>I propose the attached changes for sections 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 (
This change involves:
- nesting of the existing 3.1.2 inside 3.1.1.
- the proper use of MUST, and MAY for element and attribute inclusion, and
- moving the staement on presence of group termination parameters to a
more proper location.
Tom Rutt
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Tom
Rutt
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>
> 3.1.1 MessageId Element
>
> The sender MUST include the MessageId element MUST be present forina
Reliable
>
>
>
> Message, an Acknowledgment message, a Fault message and a PollRequest
message. In a request message, the sender MUST include A request message
MUST contain a groupId attribute and MAY contain either groupExpiryTime
attribute or groupMaxIdleDuration attribute corresponding to the group
termination parameters specified in section 2.5.1:
>
> There are couple of editorial & technical mistakes in it. Here is a
reworded one:
>
> The sender MUST include the MessageId element for a Reliable Request
Message, an Acknowledgment message, a Fault message and a Poll Request
message. This element MUST contain a groupId attribute
>
>
>
>
> oa groupId attribute
>
>
>
>
>
Cardinality
Value
Attributes
Child elements
Fault
>
> (1) groupId attribute
>
> The sender MUST include this attribute MUST be presentin the MessageId
element. This attribute is to identify a sequence of messages, where each
sequence is of length 1 or more. The sending RMP MUST use a distinct
globally unique groupId for any distinct group of messages. Any group of
messages will have a common groupId value. The syntax of this identification
is URI, as defined in [RFC2396]. It is RECOMMENDED to use the Message-ID
schema, as defined in [RFC2392].
>
> First sentence seem to have extra MUST. Here is a reworded one:
>
> The MessageId element MUST include a groupId attribute.This attribute is
to identify a sequence of messages, where each sequence is of length 1 or
more. The sending RMP MUST use a distinct globally unique groupId for any
distinct group of messages. Any group of messages will have a common groupId
value. The syntax of this identification is URI, as defined in [RFC2396]. It
is RECOMMENDED to use the Message-ID schema, as defined in [RFC2392].
>
>
> 3.1.2 1.1 SequenceNum Element
>
> The sender must include tThe SequenceNum element MUST be present for a
Group of with more than one message.
>
> Again an extra MUST here.
>
> When a message includes a MessageOrder element, the SequenceNum element is
used for guaranteeing the message order within the group of messages
specified by the same groupId value. In other words, the sequence of
numbered messages that the receiver node presents to the application MUST be
sent in the same order as the sequence of numbered messages that the sender
application has produced, within the group of messages having the same
groupId value.
>
> When the sender requests Guaranteed Message Ordering, the sender MUST use
Guaranteed Message Delivery and Duplicate Elimination for that message as
well. In particular, the sender MUST include both anAckRequested element and
a DuplicateElimination element, as well as the MessageOrder element for
Guaranteed Message Ordering.
>
> This element includes the following attributes:
>
> - agroupExpiryTime attribute
>
> - agroupMaxIdleDuration attribute
>
> - a number attribute attribute
>
> - a status attribute
>
> In a request message, the sender MAY include either agroupExpiryTime
attribute or a groupMaxIdleDuration attribute corresponding to the group
termination parameters specified in section 2.5.1:
>
> If the MessageOrder element appears in the message sent, the receiver of
the message MUST make messages available to the application layer only after
all messages with lower number with the same groupId have been made
available to the application. Example 6 illustrates some message fragments
with SequenceNum element:
>
>
classes.MsoNormal.P.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
document.classes.MsoNormal.P.fontSize = "12.0pt"
document.classes.MsoNormal.P.fontFamily = "\"Times New Roman\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.P.msoFareastFontFamily = "\"MS Mincho\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.msoStyleParent = "\"\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.margins("0in")
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.marginBottom = ".0001pt"
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.fontSize = "12.0pt"
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.fontFamily = "\"Times New Roman\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.LI.msoFareastFontFamily = "\"MS Mincho\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.msoStyleParent = "\"\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.margins("0in")
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.marginBottom = ".0001pt"
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.fontSize = "12.0pt"
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.fontFamily = "\"Times New Roman\""
document.classes.MsoNormal.DIV.msoFareastFontFamily = "\"MS Mincho\""
document.tags.H3.msoMarginTopAlt = "auto"
document.tags.H3.marginRight = "0in"
document.tags.H3.marginBottom = "5.75pt"
document.tags.H3.marginLeft = "0in"
document.tags.H3.msoPagination = "widow-orphan"
document.tags.H3.msoOutlineLevel = "3"
document.tags.H3.fontSize = "13.5pt"
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