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Subject: Re: [wsrp-interfaces] user profile proposal


> On your answer to extensions vs. things we define in the protocol:  I am 
> happy to remove the [relatively] useless 
> customUsiptioerProfileItemDescriptions from serviceDescrn and 
> customUserProfileData field from registrastionData so that its clear 
> that this is no different then any other extension that could be 
> supported. 

But isn't the whole debate about making custom profile items more useful 
than they are currently.

Subbu


>     -Mike-
> 
> Andre Kramer wrote:
> 
>> Just to answer Mike’s questions: Yes, I propose to allow multiple 
>> kinds of profiles. One use case would be allowing the common 1.0 P3P 
>> derived values to be transmitted along with a more sophisticated 
>> encoding of additional user data.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I would agree the XML schema is superficially similar but note that no 
>> <extensions> tag need be used in order to allow the two communicating 
>> parties to exchange profile elements! And that is how it should be for 
>> all explicit extension points we define in the protocol, in my opinion.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Michael Freedman [mailto:michael.freedman@oracle.com]
>> *Sent:* 24 August 2005 18:43
>> *To:* wsrp-interfaces@lists.oasis-open.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [wsrp-interfaces] user profile proposal
>>
>>  
>>
>> Why did you define this so the producer can receive multiple 
>> profiles?  What is the use case for this?  Where do we expect 
>> consumers to manage/construct more then one?
>>
>> Also, I find it interesting that in the end you have turned user 
>> profiles into an extension.  i.e. they have the same form.  To me this 
>> is a step backwards -- and instead I would prefer to continue to carry 
>> the P3P style user profile formally in the UserContext as we did in 
>> 1.0 to reflect the fact that this is the preferred/protocol profile 
>> and then tell consumers/producers that decide to use a different 
>> profile to merely carry that profile in the extensions field. This is 
>> especially true given your strong preference not to attempt to provide 
>> more meta data in the protocol related to user profiles
>>     -Mike-
>>
>>
>> Andre Kramer wrote:
>>
>> The following should allow alternative types of profile data to flow, 
>> making our old P3P based information one example of such profile 
>> descriptions:
>>
>> In 1.0 we had:
>>
>> <complexType name="*UserContext*">
>>
>>    <sequence>
>>
>>         <element name="*userContextKey*" type="*xsd:string*" />
>>
>>         <element name="*userCategories*" type="*xsd:string*" 
>> minOccurs="*0*" maxOccurs="*unbounded*" />
>>
>>         <element name="*profile*" type="*types:UserProfile*" 
>> minOccurs="*0*" />
>>
>>         <element name="*extensions*" type="*types:Extension*" 
>> minOccurs="*0*" maxOccurs="*unbounded*" />
>>
>>    </sequence>
>>
>> </complexType>
>>
>> <element name="*UserContext*" type="*types:UserContext*" />
>>
>> /Proposal/: Replace "*profile*" element in above with a "*profiles*" 
>> element (note different type and that mulitple occurances are now 
>> allowed):
>>
>> <element name="*profiles*" type="*types:Profile*" minOccurs="*0*" 
>> maxOccurs="*unbounded*" />
>>
>> Where the new* Profile* type is defined as follows:
>>
>> <complexType name="*Profile*">
>>
>>    <sequence>
>>
>>         <any />
>>
>>    </sequence>
>>
>> </complexType>
>>
>> We would also define a global  "*userProfile*" element, as well as 
>> keep the (P3P)* UserProfile* type in our schema (could move 
>> UserProfile to separate useful types xsd):
>>
>> <element name="*userProfile*" type="*types:UserProfile*"/>
>>
>> This allows 0, 1 or many profiles to be communicated in the user 
>> context in <profiles> elements. The understanding is that all such 
>> profiles relate to the user. A specific usage is to communicate the 
>> 1.0* UserProfile* data. This would now be carried in an element named 
>> "*profiles*" :
>>
>> <userContext>
>>
>>    ...
>>
>>    <profiles>
>>
>>         <userProfile> … 1.0 P3P stuff  ...</userProfile> <!-- note 
>> that userProfile element is NOT required to be here but some XML is. -->
>>
>>    </profiles>
>>
>>    …
>>
>>    <extensions> … </extensions> ...
>>
>> </userContext>
>>
>> Possible types of profiles can be listed using 
>> ServiceDescription.customUserProfileItemDescriptions and 
>> RegistrationData.customUserProfileData. On reflection, I strongly 
>> prefer not to attempt to provide more meta data in the protocol 
>> related to user profiles. If a XML processor recognizes the namespaced 
>> elements it will already have the schema (if defined).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>  
>>
> 



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