Re: [wsrp][wsrp-markup] FW: WSRP CSS Questions

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Alan,

I know that you are already part of several subgroups. Richard picked 
a person from his folk who is an expert in voiceXML to participate in 
the markup group, so I was wondering if you could do likewise. 
Hopefully it would be someone who could join the overall TC and be as 
conscientious as you. Whether due to conflicting commitments or lack 
of immediate interest, this group is experiencing difficulties 
getting enough people online to complete a telecon. Right now we are 
1 for 3, which is not good. I would happily take a pass on leading if 
that would help. I hesitated as it was since I'm also overcommited, 
and asked Andre to co-lead. We have lots of issues that need 
attention.

Ciao,
Rex

At 8:22 AM -0500 3/6/03, Rich Thompson wrote:
>Intertwined with <rt/>
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>Rich Thompson
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>"Kropp, Alan" <Alan.Kropp@vignette.com>
>03/05/2003 02:24 PM
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>         To:     Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, Chris Braun
><cbraun@novell.com>
>         cc:     "'wsrp-markup@lists.oasis-open.org'"
><wsrp-markup@lists.oasis-open.org>
>         Subject:        [wsrp][wsrp-markup] FW: WSRP CSS Questions
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>Rich and Chris,
>
>Here are some rather detailed questions regarding the CSS classes that a
>UI
>engineer here forwarded to me.  I don't know whether we have answers to
>some/all of these at this time, and perhaps that needs to wait for the
>wsrp-markup group to reconvene?  Let me know how we should proceed,
>thanks.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>--
>
>Here are some questions/comments about the CSS classes for the WSRP group:
>
>1- The 'portlet-section-header' class implies 2 mutually exclusive uses;
>as
>the formatting for the header row of a table and as a section header. In
>the
>case of the table header row it will be very common that the portal will
>specify a background-color, but then the color would show up for the
>section
>headers where it is not commonly desired. Is this an indented behavior?
>
><rt>From my CSS experience, the difference between these two could exploit
>the difference in tags. For the header row of a table, the class should be
>on a <tr> while I would expect it on tags such as <div> or <td> for
>section headers</rt>
>
>2- The 'portlet-section-footer' class has the same problem as #1.
>
>3- How do the classes 'portlet-form-input-field' and 'portlet-form-field'
>differ?
>
><rt>portlet-form-field has a description that says "Text for a field (not
>input field, e.g. checkboxes, etc)" so I would say it applies to radio
>buttons, checkboxes, etc</rt>
>
>4- What is a "context dependent action icon" as mentioned in the
>description
>of the 'portlet-icon-label' class?
>
><rt>I think this is a reference to icons like one often sees on toolbars
>these days. They only appear when appropriate, but share a common style
>for text, etc</rt>
>
>5- There is no provision in the classes for a sorted column header.
>
><rt>Do you want to propose an addition to the table in 10.5.4?</rt>
>
>6- It is fairly common to have multiple 'special' rows within a table of
>data. It would be useful to have some 'special' row color classes.
>
><rt>Are you suggesting adding portlet-section-rowType1 to
>portlet-section-rowType5 or so?</rt>
>
>7- There are no provisions for the formatting of navigation trails within
>the portlet's views.
>
><rt>agreed</rt>
>
>8- The specified classes will require the portlet HTML to have many class
>declarations. It would be better to use descendant classes to simplify the
>HTML and reduce the file size.
>
><rt>Not sure what exactly is meant here. Descendant classes still
>work</rt>
>
>9- It is very surprising that the <a> tag is not customizable via the WSRP
>classes. In web applications it is very common to customize anchors so
>that
>they do not have a 'visited' color.  It is also common to use css classes
>to
>control the hover behavior of the links to give a more interactive
>experience.
>
><rt>The comment in the spec is that base CSS already has .hover, etc
>support and therefore explicit classes are not needed at the WSRP
>level.</rt>
>
>10- It would be very useful to have a reference stylesheet and sample
>portlet HTML that could be used as an example for development and testing.
>
><rt>agreed ... it seems like that has been proposed, but no one has agreed
>to actually produce one.</rt>
>
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