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Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] Minutes for 27 February 2003 Meeting


yes on #142

The conf call on Tuesday at 8AM PST clashes with JSR168 regular 
conference call. This is a conflict for Subbu, Chris, Mike, Andre and 
myself.

Alejandro


Danny Machak wrote:

>Meeting started at 9:06 PST
>
>An attempt to start the meeting at 8:00 AM PST failed due to a lack
>of a quorum.
>
>====================================================================
>The minutes were accepted from the meeting last Thursday, 2/20/03
>The Tuesday meeting on 2/25/03 was cancelled due to a lack of a
>quorum.
>
>====================================================================
>Roll Call
>
>Voting Members:
>-------------------
>Alejandro Abdelnur     Sun                      no
>Sasha Aickin           Plumtree                 no
>Subbu Allamaraju       BEA                      yes
>Olin Atkinson          Novell                   yes
>Atul Batra             Sun                      yes
>Amir Blich             SAP                      yes
>Chris Braun            Novell                   yes
>Rex Brooks             Starbourne               yes
>T.J. Cox               Novell                   no
>William Cox            BEA                      no
>Brian Dirking          Stellent                 no
>Michael Freedman       Oracle                   yes
>Ross Fubini            Plumtree                 yes
>Richard Jacob          IBM                      yes
>Jon Klein              Reed-Elsevier            yes
>Andre Kramer           Citrix                   yes
>Alan Kropp             Vignette Corporation     yes
>Carsten Leue           IBM                      yes
>Dan Machak             Tibco                    yes
>Madoka Mitsuoka        Fujitsu                  yes
>Adam Nolan             Reed-Elsevier            yes
>Sunit Randhawa         Fujitsu                  no
>Nigel Ratcliffe        Factiva                  no
>Eilon Reshef           WebCollage               no
>Joe Rudnicki           U.S. Navy                no
>Gennady Shumaker       SAP                      yes
>Yossi Tamari           SAP Portals              no
>Gil Tayar              WebCollage               no
>Rich Thompson          IBM                      yes
>Eric van Lydegraf      Kinzan                   no
>Michael Young          Plumtree                 no
>Charles Wiecha         IBM                      yes
>
>Total voting members:         32
>Voting members in attendance: 19 (59%)
>A quorum was present.
>
>
>Members on Leave Of Absence
>----------------------------
>Monica Martin          Drake Certivo            LOA
>Petr Palas             Moravia IT               LOA
>Raj Ramesh             CommerceOne              LOA
>Thomas Schaeck         IBM                      LOA
>Steven Smith           Capitol College          LOA
>
>WSIA Members in attendance (non-voting)
>---------------------------------------
>Bruce Lucas            IBM                      yes
>
>
>====================================================================
>Summary of Change Requests:
>
>167 – Correct mime types                                    ACCEPTED
>171 – Make RegistrationState field use explicit.            ACCEPTED
>172 – explicitly useCachedMarkup                            ACCEPTED
>142 – Remove performInteraction()?                          TIE VOTE
>147 – Exposes Registration portType or req registration?:   ACCEPTED
>170 – Producer providing UserCategory support for Portlets  ACCEPTED
>169 – Is resourceName usage a conformance statement?        ACCEPTED
>153 – Make resourceName optional?                           ACCEPTED
>151 – UserScope definition                                  ACCEPTED
>155 – Resending UserContext semantics                       ACCEPTED
>174 – Processing a new cacheControl                         ACCEPTED
>156 – Reset + set properties semantics                      ACCEPTED
>144 – Meaning of requiresRegistration field                 ACCEPTED
>158 – ServiceDescription.locales definition        Treated as Change 
>                                                         Bar in
>spec         
>
>====================================================================
>Small editorial/grammar changes (I do not expect to walk through 
>these unless there are objections):
>167 – Correct mime types
>      Section 5.1.10 / Page 19 / Line 36 
>      Use actual mime types in example rather than common acronyms
>171 – Make RegistrationState field use explicit.
>      Sections 5.1.19 & 5.1.20 / Page 24 / Lines 2 & 21
>      Title says it all
>172 – explicitly useCachedMarkup
>      Section 6.1.10 / Page 31 / Line 40-42
>      By being explicit, the conformance statement can 
>      stand on its own
>
>Resolution: Accepted without comment
>
>====================================================================
> 142 – Remove performInteraction()? 
>       Impacts many sections
>       JSR168 has dropped the need for this operation. Do we 
>still want to keep it? Basic trade-off is the additional 
>functionality vs the additional complexity for understanding, 
>implementing and testing.
>       
>Arguments for removing: reduction in complexity
>Arguments against removing: already defined. Semantics are useful.
>
>Resolution: Tie vote 9 for removing, 9 for keeping, 1 abstain
>
>Vote outcome:
>
>Subbu Allamaraju       BEA                      yes
>Olin Atkinson          Novell                   abstain
>Atul Batra             Sun                      yes
>Amir Blich             SAP                      no
>Chris Braun            Novell                   yes
>Rex Brooks             Starbourne               no
>Michael Freedman       Oracle                   no
>Ross Fubini            Plumtree                 yes
>Richard Jacob          IBM                      yes
>Jon Klein              Reed-Elsevier            no
>Andre Kramer           Citrix                   no
>Alan Kropp             Vignette Corporation     no
>Carsten Leue           IBM                      yes
>Dan Machak             Tibco                    yes
>Madoka Mitsuoka        Fujitsu                  no
>Adam Nolan             Reed-Elsevier            no
>Gennady Shumaker       SAP                      no
>Rich Thompson          IBM                      yes
>Charles Wiecha         IBM                      yes
>
>A yes vote means that performInteraction would be removed.
>
>====================================================================
> 147 – Exposes Registration portType or requires registration?
>       Section 3.5 / Page 11 / Line 34-35
>       Proposal is to change a conformance statement from exposing 
>the in-band technique for registering to the use of the 
>requiresRegistration flag.
>
>Resolution: Accepted - Will drop sentence entirely
>
>====================================================================
> 170 – Producer providing UserCategory support for Portlets
>       Section 5.1.1 / Page 20 / Line 4-5
>       Proposal is to drop the conformance level language from 
>the note that the Producer may actually provide this support on 
>behalf of the Portlet.
>
>Resolution: Accepted - Will drop sentence entirely
>
>====================================================================
> 169 – Is resourceName usage a conformance statement?
>       Section 5.1.5 / Page 17 / Line 19-20
>       Question is the value of making the use of resourceName 
>as an indirection in a ResouceList a conformance statement. Proposal 
>is to keep the content, but not as a conformance statement.
>
>Resolution: Accepted - Will drop conformance language.
>
>====================================================================
> 153 – Make resourceName optional?
>       Section 5.1.5 / Page 17 / Line 23
>       Proposal is to have semantics for not supplying a 
>resourceName (namely that values for other locales are not supplied).
>
>Resolution: Accepted 
>
>====================================================================
> 151 – UserScope definition
>       Section 5.1.11 / Page 19 / Line 19-20 + others
>       Proposal change UserScope from a tri-value to an open-ended 
>set with 2 predefined values. This drops the needs to use the 
>extensions field just to carry the name of other semantics.
>
>Resolution: Accepted: UserScope field changed to type String. 
>            Define Strings for the 2 pre-defined scopes. This 
>            will be modelled more like modes and window-states.
>
>====================================================================
> 155 – Resending UserContext semantics 
>       Section 5.1.11 / Page 20 / Line 29
>       Proposal is to clarify the semantics of new information being 
>supplied for either UserContext or Templates.
>
>Resolution: Approved. Semantics should be that new info 
>            replaces the old.
>
>====================================================================
> 174 – Processing a new cacheControl
>      Section 6.1.10 / Page 31 / Line 40-42
>      Be explicit when useCachedMarkup is "true" and a new 
>CacheControl is supplied, it replaces the previous one.
>
>Resolution: Approved. Semantics should be that new info 
>            replaces the old.
>
>====================================================================
> 156 – Reset + set properties semantics
>       Section 5.1.14 / Page 21 / Line 37
>       Proposal is for clear semantics when a property is 
>included in both the reset and set arrays of a PropertyList.
>
>First question is whether it is necessary to define any 
>semantics on how to handle properties in both arrays, or to 
>enforce the two arrays to be mutually exclusive.
>
>Resolution: Approved. Arrays are mutually exclusive. 
>            Producer will throw a fault.
>
>====================================================================
> 144 – Meaning of requiresRegistration field
>       Section 5.1.18 / Page 23 / Line 17
>       Proposal is for a new conformance statement for when 
>requiresRegistration='true'.
>
>Resolution: Approved.
>
>====================================================================
> 158 – ServiceDescription.locales definition
>       Section 5.1.18 / Page 23 / Line 29
>       Proposal seeks to clarify that not all LocalizedStrings 
>will have values for all locales.
>
>Resolution: Rich will update the language.
>
>====================================================================
>
>
>There will be 2 teleconferences next week:
>
>Tuesday, March 4
>       8:00 am PST / 11:00 am EST / 5:00 pm CET
>       duration: 1 hour
>
>Thursday March 6
>       8:00 am PST / 11:00 am EST / 5:00 pm CET
>       duration: 2 hours
>
>
>====================================================================
>Meeting adjournded at 10:05 PST
>
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