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Subject: Re: [wsrp] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: ICEfaces Ajax URL determination]]

This is coincidental. I'm looking into the same issue this week, and 
having some off-line discussions with Ted.


Michael Freedman wrote:
> FYI ... one thing I forgot to include in my Ajax writeup was one 
> use/requirement that some of these Ajax request rely on "blocking http 
> requests" so that push function can (continue to) be supported.  Subbu, 
> another consideration to account for?
>     -Mike-
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject:
> Re: [Fwd: ICEfaces Ajax URL determination]
> From:
> Ted Goddard <ted.goddard@ICESOFT.COM>
> Date:
> Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:36:54 -0700
> To:
> To:
> Perhaps I should add a bit more from the ICEfaces perspective:
> The amount of code actually in the Servlets that ICEfaces makes
> use of is not that great, so if there is a natural way to
> implement what we need entirely within the Portlet environment,
> a port isn't out of the question.  (We are hoping, however,
> for as much re-use as possible between the Servlet and Portlet
> environments.)
> What is a concern, though, is whether a given Portlet environment
> will accommodate the blocking HTTP requests that we use for
> Ajax Push, and whether we can hand these requests off to our
> separate asynchronous HTTP if need be (this server makes use
> of non-blocking I/O to handle large numbers of blocking connections
> with a bounded number of threads).  If Portlet environments vary
> in their ability to handle blocking HTTP requests, we may be
> better off maintaining the separate servlet for the Ajax
> interaction.
> Regards,
> Ted.
> On 21-Nov-06, at 11:13 AM, Scott O'Bryan wrote:
>> My personal opinion is that doing things for Portlet 1.0 is a waste of
>> time/resources.  At best we have to come up with a real hacky
>> implementation which will (hopefully) only be in place for 6 months
>> or so.
>> The reason I bring up the Portlet 2.0 Usecase as it pertains to ICE is
>> it seems from the comment that they are handling AJAX through their
>> own
>> servlet rather then the faces foundation.  If this is the case, they
>> either they are going to have to totally re-implement the solution
>> using
>> the Bridge instead of their own custom servlet, or we're going to have
>> to allow them custom plugins which will allow us to solve their
>> requirements.  Otherwise, they'll be stuck making a resourceRequest
>> rather then the "proper" action request.
>> I suppose it's clear, however, that there is just too much uncertainty
>> in this space and AJAX implementations in faces are going to have some
>> key differences that I don't really think we can solve now.  Maybe
>> it'll
>> be time for a second pass at this after the Portal 2.0 is released or
>> later in the JSF 2.0 development cycle.
>> Scott
>> Kito D. Mann wrote:
>>> FYI, there's a lot of work in the Portlet 2.0 spec regarding AJAX
>>> requests
>>> and so-on. I'm not convinced there's anything else we need to do
>>> for portlet
>>> 2.0 other than make sure this bridge works well with it. The real
>>> question
>>> is whether to do anything about portlet 1.0.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Kito D. Mann (kmann@virtua.com)
>>> Author, JavaServer Faces in Action
>>> http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and
>>> mentoring
>>> http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, and info
>>> phone: +1 203-653-2989
>>> fax: +1 203-653-2988

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