RE: [wss] Fwd: WS-Security specs make their debut

["Munter, Joel D" <joel.d.munter@intel.com>]

(imho) Unless this TC is willing to staff and fund its own Marketing
team/effort, I think that your best approach would be to drive these
messages from the Marketing Teams within the respective specification
contributor companies (i.e., MS, IBM, SAP, BEA, et al).  

Of course, you could always try to prepare proper messaging and promote that
messaging through OASIS Marketing/PR channels as well but I have always felt
that it is best to allow Marketing and PR folk to do Marketing and PR work.
This TC should concentrate on doing the best technical work that it can and
leave the marketing to others.

Joel


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Reed [mailto:ereed@novell.com]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:32 AM
To: klawrenc@us.ibm.com
Cc: wss@lists.oasis-open.org; ckaler@microsoft.com; Gary Hein; Shawn
Dickerson; Sarah Mees; Winston Bumpus
Subject: Re: [wss] Fwd: WS-Security specs make their debut


Thank you, Kelvin - 

I'm relieved to hear that this was more a matter of
mistranslation of the effort than anything else.  It is certainly
difficult
sometimes to make sure that reporters get and report correctly the
nuances of our work.

The episode does, however, highlight the ongoing potential for
confusion in the press and public minds over the difference between
the
work of these two now-separate initiatives.  Without better
differentiation
in the press in the future I think we'd best consider more structural
solutions on the TC and OASIS part to help avoid confusion.

I'm satisfied to leave this discussion for now, but I would appreciate
it
if you wouldn't mind adding it to the agenda for our next call in early
January,
just so we can make sure we're all on the same page, and we all know
what steps we need to individually take with our respective PR
departments to keep things more clear in the future.

Again, thanks for your quick reply.

Regards,
Ed

>>> Kelvin Lawrence <klawrenc@us.ibm.com> 12/20/02 09:51AM >>>
Hi Ed,  thanks for the note, I think the press article you referenced
was 
unfortunately very poorly worded and seems to use the phrase
"WS-Security" 
in a generic sense where the phrase "security roadmap" would  have been

more accurate.

As I know you are aware, IBM and Microsoft produced a Web services 
security roadmap back in April, along with the roadmap, a single
concrete 
specification called WS-Secuirity was also produced. WS-Security was 
outlined in the roadmap as the basis for the rest of the specifications
in 
the roadmap. WS-Security was consequently submitted to OASIS and the
WSS 
TC was chartered.

What IBM, Microsoft,Verisign, RSA Security, BEA  Systems and SAP have
done 
this week is to deliver drafts of some of the other specifications 
described in the roadmap. As you recall the WSS-TC did not want to
assume 
the responsibility of the roadmap, and at our first F2F in September
the 
charter was clarified after a lot of discussion to make it clear what
the 
scope of the TC was. The roadmap itself was not submitted to the TC in
any 
formal way.

So while I agree the article you pointed us all to is poorly worded,
the 
WSS-TC has not undertaken any new specifications in your absence or 
anything like that  and the charter has not been changed. I spoke to
some 
of the people who participated in the announcement of these new specs
and 
they told me that it was made very clear that these were new specs
being 
delivered as part of filling out the roadmap. Unfortunately this 
particular journalist seems to have used some incorrect words and
confused 
WS-Security with the overall roadmap. I have seen other articles this
week 
that do focus on the roadmap more accurately.

Also, some of the other press articles I have seen do go on to say that

the authors of the new specifications intend to take the specifications
to 
a standards body which is accurate coverage. As of today, the new 
specifications are published to the respective author's web sites to
allow 
people to comment on them. 

I hope this clears things up a bit, and likewise best wishes for a safe

and happy holiday period to you and all of our TC members.

Cheers
Kelvin


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