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Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
Anthony & Krishna
I believe that we need to get answers to the traditional - Who, What, When, Where and Why. These are all more or less interdependent. The Where question that you and Krishna are discussing depends upon the Why as well as, to a lesser extent, the others. For example, I believe that one of the important Why's is to flesh out problems with the specification as it presently stands. I don't believe that we, the TC, have agreed on the list of Why's and their priority. Therefore, discussion of the Where should be subsequent to or concurrent with the Why. You and Krishna have zeroed in on the Why's of Interoperability, Evangelism and Exposure to potential users. These are all good goals but are these the Prime goals of the "Fest"? (Maybe using the term Interoperability as the title of the event is misleading or pejorative, or maybe not.)
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Sun 1/12/2003 11:05 AM
To: wss@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc:
Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
Krishna,
I understand the point as we participated in the interop last year and
looking for a ways to improve as I'm not sure we all saw the same benefit.
We should be looking for a way to show secure web service interoperability
with all aspects of WSS-Core in as may "production" type systems as
posible. The issue here is that we should be working to show
interoperability not necessarily visibility. What you have pointed out are
the goals of organizations such as WS-I security charter ("demonstrate that
different-independent-implementations can have the same common shared view
of the various elements and work together") and we should be working with
these groups not creating an independent effort.
So my point is if you truly want to show interoperability wouldn't it best
to show this at a Web services interoperability conference, I'm sure that
the proper press coverage would be there if that is what we are looking
for.
Anthony Nadalin | work 512.436.9568 | cell 512.289.4122
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Anthony,
With due respect to you, I think you are missing the point. I
suggest you talk with the participants of last year's SAML interop demo
and get a feel of what we are trying to achieve here.
The interop demo is to evangelize the security substrate and
standards that constitute that layer, to the users. The Burton group
conference (and similar venues - in the US and outside US) is a better
venue for this.
We want to increase the visibility and understanding of the
standards with the users as well as demonstrate that
different-independent-implementations can have the same common shared
view of the various elements and work together. IMHO, WS-I, which is a
specification body, understands the power of standards and does not
require evangelization.
cheers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:29 AM
> To: wss@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
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> Is this something that OASIS should sponsor and not the
> Burton group, maybe
> this could happen at the WS-I F2F in March as a prelude to
> the WS-I basic
> security profile.
>
> Anthony Nadalin | work 512.436.9568 | cell 512.289.4122
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> Hi Krishna
>
>
>
> Happy New Year to you. I am doing well and I hope this
> coming year finds
> you the same.
>
>
>
> My recollection of the Interop Fest (I'm not sure that a name has been
> chosen) was that it was definitely something that the
> majority of the TC
> wanted to do and most felt that it would be very useful in
> shaking out any
> problems in the specification. The only date mentioned was the first
> quarter of this year. No place or accompanying event was
> decided or even
> discussed.
>
>
>
> If the TC is going to have something in the first quarter we
> have to start
> planning now. I'm happy to hear that you would be interested in
> participating in the event. The practical insight of Cisco
> would be very
> important in having real world scenarios.
>
>
>
> Can we get some additions hands raised for interest in the event?
>
>
>
> Kelvin - Can we add an item to the agenda for Jan 14th to kick off
> discussion on the interop fest.
>
>
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krishna Sankar [mailto:ksankar@cisco.com]
> Sent: Sat 1/11/2003 11:02 PM
> To: Flinn, Don
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
>
>
>
> Don,
>
> How are you doing ? Happy New year.
>
> Don't know if this is an opportunity for
> interop demo
> for the
> Burton conference. I think it is.
>
> Also, I would be interested in participating.
>
> cheers
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Flinn, Don [mailto:Don.Flinn@quadrasis.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:38 PM
> > To: wss@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Some discussion took place at the last F2F
> about the need
> for
> > some use cases for the proposed Interop Demo.
> I've attached
> > a few use cases for discussion. There is one
> base case and
> > two variations. I also think that it would be
> useful to
> have
> > a standard format for the use cases, so I
> propose the one I
> > have used. This is the format that was used
> by the XACML TC
> > with a few modifications by myself. Let's have some
> > discussion on the format and the proposed use cases.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > <<federation.doc>>
> >
>
>
>
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