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Subject: RE: [wss] Revised WSS OTP-Token proposal

So is the document ftp://ftp.rsasecurity.com/pub/otps/wss-token/wss-token-v1-0.pdf being offered as input or reference as this has not been listed in the proposal ?
>method-independent profile
So if this is method-independent not sure why input documents describing the specific technology would be supplied, this was not done for the other profiles

Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
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          "Linn, John" <jlinn@rsasecurity.com>

          09/28/2005 04:11 PM


Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Kelvin Lawrence/Austin/IBM@IBMUS




RE: [wss] Revised WSS OTP-Token proposal

The RSA/OTPS document in question does not specify a particular OTP method, but instead proposes a method-independent profile that can be used to apply a variety of OTP methods along with WSS. In essence, therefore, its scope is comparable to that of the proposed work item; along with other inputs, we would hope that it would contribute relevant work which would be useful in constructing the anticipated deliverable.
For reference, the document is available at ftp://ftp.rsasecurity.com/pub/otps/wss-token/wss-token-v1-0.pdf. I don’t anticipate that further technical changes would take place before a TC submission, though some frontmatter and administrative revisions may be made. WRT IPR, the document states as follows (within Appendix B, Notices):

“RSA Security does not make any claims on the general constructions described in this document. The RSA SecurID technology implementations of time-based mode authenticator token devices, and related validation processing components, are covered by a number of US patents (and foreign counterparts), in particular US Patent Nos. 4,885,778; 4,856,062; 5,097,505; 5,168,520 and 5,657,388. Additional patents are pending. As this specification can be implemented without the use of time-based mode authentication technology, it is RSA Security’s position that the technology covered by these patents and applications is not required to implement this specification.”

Further, we are not currently aware of any IP claims which others may make which would affect the general constructions as described in this document, but have requested that OTPS participants who have been involved in review and comment on its predecessor drafts inform us of any such claims.


From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:05 PM
Kelvin Lawrence
Linn, John; wss@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [wss] Revised WSS OTP-Token proposal

Its still confusing as its states that "RSA Security proposes to submit a version of this document as
"input to the WSS TC" yet as discussed it was indicated that this effort is not about a single technology, so I would assume that the document would be not input but referenced, much like PKI, Kerberos etc. Also if RSA plans to really submit the document as input what would be the IPR terms ? Same goes to Verisign ?

Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
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                  Kelvin Lawrence/Austin/IBM@IBMUS

                  09/27/2005 05:39 PM


"Linn, John" <jlinn@rsasecurity.com>


Re: [wss] Revised WSS OTP-Token proposal

John and Hans, thank you for taking the time to update and re-post your proposal.

TC Members, Now that we have a modified proposal in front of us what do people think?

I would very much like to see some discussion here so that we can be effective on the call on Tuesday.

Thanks to those of you that have already posted your views


"Linn, John" <jlinn@rsasecurity.com> wrote on 09/27/2005 10:48:05 AM:

> Following last week's discussion, we'd like to offer the following
> revised version of the OTP-Token proposal for consideration by the TC:
> RSA Security and VeriSign would like to propose a new work item for the
> WSS TC, defining a WSS profile for use of One-Time Password (OTP)
> authentication. The intended goal is to accommodate a broad range of
> OTP technologies within the WSS framework. While conceptually similar
> to the existing UsernameToken profile, this profile would support
> transport of OTP-related ancillary information (e.g., PINs, challenges,
> counters, device and algorithm identifiers) in conjunction with
> authentication requests in order to provide comprehensive support for
> OTP methods within the WSS/SOAP environment.
> We anticipate that the profile will accommodate OTP methods including
> (but not limited to) OATH HOTP, RACF PassTickets, RSA SecurID(r)
> authenticator token devices, and other candidates that may be identified
> within the TC. While IPR claims may apply to underlying OTP methods that
> the profile may support, the proposers intend that the constructions to
> be defined in the profile itself be unencumbered.
> This profile would be functionally comparable to other profiles defined
> within the WSS TC, so we believe it is appropriate to standardize within
> the same forum. We propose that this activity be undertaken as a
> general TC work item, comparable to other profiles addressed by the TC,
> rather than within a distinct subcommittee. It is not the proposers'
> intent that this work item be incorporated into WSS 1.1, or that it
> delay TC progress on that release.
> We anticipate that existing and related work will be available as input
> for this task. The One-Time Password Specifications (OTPS,
> initiative, coordinated by RSA Security, has produced an OTP-WSS-Token
> specification which has evolved in response to public review and
> comment. RSA Security proposes to submit a version of this document as
> input to the WSS TC.
> VeriSign, in conjunction with the Open Authentication initiative (OATH,
http://www.openauthentication.org) is also producing work related to an
> OTP token profile. We anticipate that versions of these input documents
> will be ready for OASIS submission by or during October 2005. We propose
> that the results of these efforts, along with any other inputs which may
> be received through the OASIS process, be harmonized under WSS TC
> auspices.
> John Linn, RSA Security
> Hans Granqvist, VeriSign
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