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Subject: FW: Teleconference Minutes 2001-07-26
Teleconference Meeting Minutes 26 July 2001, 07:00 - 08:15 Pacific Time Summary Adoption of a scope for XACML v.10 was discussed. Voting was postponed pending further clarification of what is meant by "model" and "metapolicy". A short term meeting and action item schedule was adopted. Planning for the next F2F commenced. Raw minutes authored by Ken Yagen can be found at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200107/msg00056.html. Action Items Fred Moses to post F2F slides to list Simon Blackwell to ask Michiharu to post MPEG requirements to site Fred Moses, Hal Lockhart, Chris McLaren, and Thomas Hardjono to check with their employers about F2F sponsorship for the week of September 10th Details Note: Times are approximate. No time marks exist in raw minutes. 07:00 - 07:05 Roll Call (Ken Yagen) Voting Members Adams,Carlisle Entrust Blackwell,Simon Psoom Damiani,Ernesto University of Milan Damodaran,Suresh Sterling Commerce Edwards,Nigel HP Hardjono,Thomas Verisign Hodges,Jeff Oblix Kudoh,Michiharu IBM Lockhart,Hal Entegrity McLaren,Christopher Netegrity Moses,Fred Entitlenet Moses,Tim Entrust Parducci,Bill Self Pilz,Gilbert Jamcracker Yagen,Ken Crosslogix A quorum of 16 voting members present. Prospective Members Flinn,Don Hitachi *Garimella,Sandilya BEA *Godik,Simon Crosslogix *Rouault,Jason HP *Samarati,Pierangela University of Milan Those marked with an * will be voting members during the next meeting or call. 07:05 - 07:10 Agenda Simon Blackwell apologized for late agenda and incorrect dates in schedule posted with the agenda. Agenda adopted with no objections after a brief discussion of the correct dates and a commitment to return to the calendar topic later in call. 07:10 - 07:45 F2F Minutes Discussion Action items from the F2F: Sandyila Garimiela - Got list of issue from Suresh and will update his list with those and those he collected from face to face. Dave Parrot - Posted slides to site. Simon Blackwell to check and see about his commitment to post MPEG requirements. Fred Moses - Reconfirmed he will post his slides. Jeff Hodges - Still working on RFC 3060 issues list based on comments from one of its authors. Tim Moses - Sent slides to Ken, should probably sent to someone else Simon - Send materials to Micharharu for addition to website. Or link when appropriate. Tabled issue from F2F: "Creation of a policy expression language based on a formal model that which when evaluated in the context of a specific metapolicy will be deterministic. We will at least define 1 metapolicy that is mandatory to implement." as our primary goal for XACML v1.0. Note this excludes any real work on protocols. After a brief replay of the F2F conversation Jeff Hodges suggested it might be too early to vote in the statement since "metapolicy" required more definition and the need to include or exclude it is not yet clear. Consensus apparent and voting tabled pending further exploration/discussion. A discussion regarding the meaning of "formal model" ensued. Jeff Hodges allowed as he had been using the term "formal model" too loosely. Several qualifiers were proposed for the term model, i.e. "abstract", "implementation", "security", 'access control". Everyone seemed to get the type of model we need, i.e. a textual and UML description similar to 3060, but no-one was particularly happy with any of the options discussed. Consensus that we don't want to shoot for a proper formal, i.e. provable mathematical or logical model, at this stage. Topic left for further thought. More discussion of "metapolicy" ensued. For the most part this was a replay of discussion at the F2F. Hal Lockhart has not been present for F2F the discussion and voiced some objections based on complexity and confusion they may add to XACML at the potential risk of making the language unintelligible to humans. Simon Blackwell asked that the discussion be continued on the list. Jeff Hodges concluded by saying we will have to decide if we support explicit metapolicy or by default we WILL end up with an implicit metapolicy and work from there. 07:45 - 07:55 Discussion of TC Schedule Simon Blackwell - Read schedule with corrected dates from this meeting's agenda: 1. All policy model references to be submitted to the list by 2001-08-01. 2. All use case proposals to be submitted to the list by 2001-08-01 3. Concall on 2001-07-26 to cover schedule issues 4. Concall on 2001-08-09 to cover use cases 5. Concall on 2001-08-23 to cover policy models Clarified that use case date doesn't mean they have to be fully worked out, just initial submission is necessary. A motion was made and seconded to adopt the schedule. No discussion, no objections, no abstentions. Motion passed. 07:55 - 0:800 Next F2F A brief discussion about dates and costs occurred. Consensus on the week of September 10th was reached. Fred Moses, Hal Lockhart, Chris McLaren, Bruce ???, and Thomas Hardjono said they would check with their employers. Hal Lockhart suggested a potential cost split between all vendors. Simon Blackwell also suggested that we could all pay a $100 attendance fee if necessary. 08:00 Motion to adjourn. Simon Y. Blackwell CTO Psoom, Inc. Voice & Fax: 415-762-9787
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