Re: [xliff] XLIFF and Xforms

[Andrzej Zydron <azydron@xml-intl.com>]

Hi Bryan,

Thanks for your feedback. You are correct in your observations. I will 
go over the spec and xsd with a fine tooth comb and report back tomorrow.

Regards,

AZ

bryan.s.schnabel@exgate.tek.com wrote:

> David and Andrzej,
> 
> Since you looked at the XForms spec, I looked at the schema (
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2002/XForms-Schema.xsd ).  Many elements have
> a mixed content model (which allow text).  Some that might be translatable
> could include:
> 
> 	label
> 	help
> 	hint
> 	alert
> 	value
> 	message
> 	setvalue
> 
> Andrzej, your summary is very impressive.  Thanks for taking the time to
> share.  I can read an xsd, but my experience with forms is quite limited.
> Maybe you could shed a little light on these other elements.  
> 
> I also noticed some attributes that could possibly be candidates for
> translation (the same way one might want to translate some of the attributes
> in regular HTML forms).  But again, I don't know enough about XForms yet to
> say.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bryan Schnabel
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Pooley [mailto:DPooley@sdl.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:13 AM
> To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [xliff] XLIFF and Xforms
> 
> 
> 
>>>The good news is that all translatable text within an XForm is always 
>>>contained in only one element: <label> e.g.:
> 
> 
> I've just browsed the specification and can certainly see other elements
> that may need translation. For example, the <hint> and <setvalue> elements.
> Are we sure there aren't any others?
> 
> David Pooley
> Software Architect
> SDL International
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrzej Zydron [mailto:azydron@xml-intl.com]
> Sent: 03 February 2004 18:54
> To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
> Cc: tony.jewtushenko@oracle.com
> Subject: [xliff] XLIFF and Xforms
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In response to the request from Tony to take a look at XForms and its 
> potential representation in XLIFF:
> 
> 1) XForms is an official W3C recommendation. The full details of the 
> standard can be viewed at the following URL:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-xforms-20031014/
> 
> 2) Design goals
> XForms was designed to make the coding of HTML/XHTML forms easier and to 
> be output independent. A well designed XForm is capable of being 
> rendered in VoiceXML as well as HTML, XHTML or as a valid/well formed 
> XML document.
> 
> In addition validating constraints can be specified for input values - 
> something which requires extensive scripting in HTML.
> 
> The goal of XForms is to provide the 20% of necessary functionality in 
> order to eliminate 80% of the need for scripting.
> 
> An XForm processor is needed to render an XForm into an instance.
> 
> 3) Controls
> 
> XForms contain the following controls (HTML equivalents described 
> alongside):
> 
> 3.1) <input> (HTML equivalent: <input type="text">) - For entry of small 
> amounts of text
> 3.2) <textarea> (HTML equivalent: <textarea>) - For entry of large 
> amounts of text
> 3.3) <secret> (HTML equivalent: <input type="password">) - For entry of 
> sensitive information
> 3.4) <output> (HTML equivalent: N/A) - For inline display of any 
> instance data
> 3.5) <range> (HTML equivalent: N/A) - For smooth "volume control" 
> selection of a value
> 3.6) <upload> (HTML equivalent: <input type="file">) - For upload of 
> file or device data
> 3.7) <trigger> (HTML equivalent: <button>) - For activation of form events
> 3.8) <submit> (HTML equivalent: <input type="submit">) - For submission 
> of form data
> 3.9) <select> (HTML equivalent: <select multiple="multiple"> or multiple
> <input type="checkbox">) - For selection of zero, one, or many options
> 3.10) <select1> (HTML equivalent: <select> or multiple
> <input type="radio">) - For selection of just one option among several
> 
> 4) Structure
> 
> Each instance of a form is always preceded by a <model> element which 
> defines the submission action and method e.g.:
> 
> <model>
>     <submission action="http://example.com/search";
>                 method="get"
>                 id="s"/>
> </model>
> 
> The actual instance must refer back to the submission model via the 
> "submission" attribute e.g.:
> 
> <input ref="q"><label>Find</label></input>
> <submit submission="s"><label>Go</label></submit>
> 
> 5) Translatable text.
> The good news is that all translatable text within an XForm is always 
> contained in only one element: <label> e.g.:
> 
> <input ref="firstname"><label>First name:</label></input>
> 
> The <label> element is always a direct child of a control element.
> 
> 6) Sources:
> 
> a. Three very good articles on XForms from xml.com: 
> http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/09/05/xforms.htm
> http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/09/10/xforms.html
> http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/12/30/xforms.html
> 
> b. The official w3c.org pages for Xforms:
> http://www.w3c.org/MarkUp/Forms
> 
> c. O'Reilly book:
> XForms Essentials ISBN: 0-596-00369-2
> 
> 
> I am not sure if I can submit email directly to the XLIFF list so I have 
> cc'ed Tony just in case.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> AZ
> 
> 

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