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Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: "none of the market leader TenT companies has signed on to the XLIFF standard "

I think Gerhard Budin was the guy who suggested this in Berlin. He
chairs one of the committees for TC 37. I think the ideal would be for
OASIS to be the place where the standard is developed and OASIS and ISO
both publishing it. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Jewtushenko [mailto:tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:15 PM
To: Peter Reynolds; 'Rodolfo M. Raya'; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: "none of the market leader TenT companies has
signed on to the XLIFF standard "

I think Rodolfo's suggestion is a very good one - it will mean that
there is a need to for governments to interchange localization related
the ISO standard must be used first, before any other standard (e.g.,

Peter - there should be no problem with getting XLIFF approved by ISO
though it is an OASIS standard already.  At the Language Standards
conference in Berlin a few years ago, we were invited to submit to ISO.
Also, there are a number of UNICODE related standards adopted as ISO
standards as well - suggesting that there is no standards body
limitation for ISO approval.  I'm not sure ISO 37 is the right place to
bring XLIFF though,  but it is worth a shot.

I'll look up the contact's name (although it will take a bit of effort
find it).


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Reynolds [mailto:p.reynolds@maart.pl] 
Sent: 28 July 2008 22:02
To: Rodolfo M. Raya; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: "none of the market leader TenT companies has
signed on to the XLIFF standard "

Hi Rodolfo,

I have just been nominated as an Irish expert to ISO TC 37 which is the
committee looking at translation issues. I will be going to the ISO
in Moscow in a few weeks time. I think there may be an understanding
ISO, OASIS and other standards body where they cooperate rather than
compete. I don't know whether ISO will work on a standard that is
being developed at OASIS. I am away this week but I suggest that you and
have a phone call next week and have a short discussion on this and come
with a proposal for how the TC could approach ISO.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rodolfo M. Raya [mailto:rmraya@maxprograms.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:53 PM
To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xliff] RE: "none of the market leader TenT companies has
signed on to the XLIFF standard "

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:20:01 +0200
"Peter Reynolds" <p.reynolds@maart.pl> wrote:

> I had a look at this blog and they appear to be talking about a
> presentation by Jost Zetzsche. While I was not at the conference, I
> Jost very well. He regularly asks the question 'Why isn't everyone
> XLIFF?'. He is likely to be suggesting that translation companies
> be much more enthusiastic about XLIFF. I understand the point that
> of the big translation companies are actually using XLIFF and many
> involved in creating the standard (Lionbridge, SDL, Moravia) but I
> a more important point is being raised here about the bind which
> translation companies have when it comes to technology.


Jost's public idea of compatibility between tools is based on how well
translation tools can handle "uncleaned" RTF, TTX and TMX files. He
wrote about this in "Translation Journal" and talks about this in his
blog. This is part of his business strategy: he sells comparisons of
translation tools based on these parameters at
http://www.translatorstraining.com . 

Translation agencies have a key role in XLIFF adoption. Most of them
are still working with "uncleaned" RTF and steadily moving to TTX
files. They have not adopted XLIFF yet and I don't see them adopting
XLIFF soon. The reason is simple: their current tool providers don't
care about XLIFF and heavily promote their own formats.

There is something that can change the panorama: making XLIFF an ISO
standard. This will make XLIFF visible to governments and could help in
its adoption.

Best regards,
Rodolfo M. Raya <rmraya@maxprograms.com>

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