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Subject: RE: [xliff] metadata and XLIFF


Thank you very much indeed, David.
Yes, it is our intention indeed to compare standards and then find the
most appropriate one. I think though that at some later point we should
narrow the focus depending on the goal.
As next, I will try to gather the current metadata used in XLIFF 1.2 and
get back to you.

Many thanks again,
Dimitra

-----Original Message-----
From: bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com
[mailto:bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com] 
Sent: 21 July 2009 18:29
To: DavidF@MoraviaWorldWide.com; dimitra.anastasiou@ul.ie;
xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: stephen.curran@cs.tcd.ie; dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie; Reinhard.Schaler
Subject: RE: [xliff] metadata and XLIFF

Hi All,

Very nice job of moving this thread forward David. There seems to be
some good potential here. Dimitra, will your research also include
LISA/OSCAR standards? If so, I think we might finds some areas of
synergy between XLIFF and those standards that we should look at in
terms of leveraging (similar to our work concerning text elements and
TMX).

- Bryan
________________________________________
From: David Filip [DavidF@MoraviaWorldWide.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:54 AM
To: Dimitra.Anastasiou; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: stephen.curran@cs.tcd.ie; dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie; Reinhard.Schaler
Subject: RE: [xliff] metadata and XLIFF

Hi Dimitra,

You can see that there are loads of metadata structures even in 1.2

+---
<header><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#header
>?
 | |
 | +---
<skl><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#skl>?
 | | |
 | | +---
(<internal-file><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.htm
l#internal-file> |
<external-file><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html
#external-file>)1
 | |
 | +---
<phase-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#p
hase-group>?
 | | |
 | | +---
<phase><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#phase>+
 | | |
 | | +---
<note><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#note>*
 | |
 | +---
<glossary><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#glos
sary>*
 | | |
 | | +---
(<internal-file><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.htm
l#internal-file> |
<external-file><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html
#external-file>)1
 | |
 | +---
<reference><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#ref
erence>*
 | | |
 | | +---
(<internal-file><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.htm
l#internal-file> |
<external-file><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html
#external-file>)1
 | |
 | +---
<count-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#c
ount-group>*
 | | |
 | | +---
<count><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#count>*
 | |
 | +---
<tool><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#tool_ele
m>*
 | | |
 | | +--- [Extension Point]
 | |
 | +---
<prop-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#pr
op-group>*
 | | |
 | | +---
<prop><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#prop>*
 | |
 | +--- [Extension Point]
 | |
 | +---
<note><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#note>*

In <body><group>

 | +---
<prop-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#pr
op-group>*

 | | |

 | | +---
<prop><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#prop>*

 | |

 | +--- [Extension Point]

 | |

 | +---
<note><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#note>*

In <body>[<group>]<transunit>

 | +---
<context-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html
#context-group>*

 | | |

 | | +---
<context><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#conte
xt>+

 | |

 | +---
<count-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#c
ount-group>*

 | | |

 | | +---
<count><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#count>*

 | |

 | +---
<prop-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#pr
op-group>*

 | | |

 | | +---
<prop><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#prop>*


 | +--- [Extension Point]

 | |

 | +---
<note><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#note>*

 | |

 | +---
<alt-trans><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#alt
-trans>*

Yes I think the memory matches are metadata too..

 | |

 | +---
<context-group><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html
#context-group>*

 | | |

 | | +---
<context><http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/v1.2/os/xliff-core.html#conte
xt>+
And more of the same in lower nested elements..


We LSPs are extremely interested in having good containers for metadata
in the standard.. But you can see, this is a complex thing, some 80% of
the standard may be considered as dealing with metadata.
So I am with Christian, we might need a comprehensible ontology for
metadata to be able to do a sensible revision of metadata for XLIFF 2.0.

I am willing to work on the ontology with you and I think it is one of
key prework areas for XLIFF 2.0.

Looking at the complex structure of metadata containers even in 1.2,
your group should try and match their collected requirements with the
existent XLIFF capability, and consider well how to accomodate the
non-matching..

Cheers
dF

David Filip, PMO
phone: +420-545552-203, mobile: +420-731-492244
Moravia Worldwide

From: Dimitra.Anastasiou [mailto:dimitra.anastasiou@ul.ie]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:03 AM
To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: stephen.curran@cs.tcd.ie; dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie; Reinhard.Schaler
Subject: [xliff] metadata and XLIFF

Dear XLIFF TC members,

I would like to keep you abreast of a metadata initiative which I am
responsible of in the terms of the CNGL (Centre for Next Generation
Localisation) project, where the LRC and three other universities of
Ireland are partners. I don't know if it is appropriate or have time to
discuss it in the meeting tomorrow, but I would be glad if you give me
your opinions about how you imagine XLIFF version(s) in 2-3 years in
relation to metadata. Do you have any specifications? Will it include
rich, explicit and flexible metadata? How will this metadata help the
whole workflow?
Thank you a million in advance.


Kind regards,
Dimitra

Dimitra Anastasiou
Post-doc Researcher at the Localisation Research Centre
www.d-anastasiou.com




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