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Subject: Re: [xliff] XLIFF and ITS mapping-ID value

On the duplication of span id's in the candidates module, I agree with the NVDL interpretation.
Although nested within mtc,:the core span id's are within the same unit, so should not be allowed to duplicate ids of not nested core spans.


Dr. David Filip
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Soroush.Saadatfar <Soroush.Saadatfar@ul.ie> wrote:
The validator raises three errors; 
1- Missing element with id="m1" to which the <mtc:match ... ref="#m1"> element is pointing (not in scope of this conversation);
2 & 3- ID duplication for both <pc> in <mtc:match>.

Seems like a tricky case, but I think it would make sense to treat <source>/<target> pairs in translate candidates along with those in <segment> or <ignorable> within the same <unit>. As <source> and <target> are both core elements even inside a module, according to the Spec inline elements inside them must have unique ids. Therefore even if the TC decides otherwise the text of Spec then should be modified.
Using the NVDL's logic of breaking XML document by namespaces, <source> and <target>, children of <mtc:match>, will remain in the context of <unit> after omission of "mtc:" namespace.

P.S. I assume my validator might need some editing for this case anyway, thanks!


From: Yves Savourel [ysavourel@enlaso.com]
Sent: 21 December 2015 12:00
To: Soroush.Saadatfar
Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org

Subject: RE: [xliff] XLIFF and ITS mapping-ID value

Hi Soroush, all,


On a related topic of IDs in XLIFF.


Could you give me your opinion on the test file I posted here:



The question is: Is it valid to have the same id="1" ID in the two <pc> elements present in that file.

What is your validator results for that file?






From: Soroush.Saadatfar [mailto:Soroush.Saadatfar@ul.ie]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 4:24 AM
To: Felix Sasaki <felix@sasakiatcf.com>; Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xliff] XLIFF and ITS mapping-ID value


Dear Felix, Yves,

Thanks for your help, your notes will be applied.





From: Felix Sasaki [felix@sasakiatcf.com]
Sent: 20 December 2015 20:41
To: Soroush.Saadatfar
Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xliff] XLIFF and ITS mapping-ID value

HI Soroush and all,


Am 18.12.2015 um 18:14 schrieb Soroush.Saadatfar <Soroush.Saadatfar@ul.ie>:


The spec text for ID value data category of ITS is offered as follows:


"ID value


This data category provides a mechanism to build customized unique identifiers for different parts of the document. It is generally recommended to use native xml:id or id attributes for XML and HTML documents respectively.

As XLIFF 2.1 identifiers are not unique in the scope of the entire document, this data category should be avoided where possible and replaced by native XLIFF identifiers."


And I have a question with regards to the example. The current text in the wiki page mentions "exceptions for very specific context...", would you please provide a particular case? I don't think the current example on wiki is that.




There is no example because as the wiki says: „Note that the identifiers in XLIFF are not unique per document, so using the Id Value data category to specify IDs in an XLIFF document is largely useless“. So I would leave this as as, without an example about such contexts. 









Sent: 19 December 2015 12:38

To: XLIFF Main List

Subject: RE: [xliff] XLIFF and ITS mapping- Elements within text


Hi Soroush,


More notes:


-- 1)


Several of the examples have "curly quotes" instead of normal ASCII double quotes to enclose attribute values.

A side effect of editing in an email probably, but they need to be correct in the spec.



-- 2)


<unit id="u1">


      <data id="d1">&lt;br/&gt;</data>



      <source>This sentence has a breakpoint<ph id="ph1" dataRef="d1"

              type="fmt" subType="xlf:lb"/>inside.





The example above has a dangling "-->" after </originalData>.



-- 3)


<unit id="u1">


      <data id="d1">&lt;u&gt;</data>

      <data id="d2">&lt;/u&gt;</data>



      <source>A paragraph where <sc id="sc1" dataRef="d1" type="fmt"

              subType="xlf:u"/>the formatted text takes more than one





      <source> The second sentence here.<ec dataRef="d2"






In the example above, the <ec/> element seems to be missing the attributes type="fmt" and subType="xlf:u".


Now, the Okapi validator gives an error on this, but I don't see in the spec any constraint that says type and subType must have the

same values in two corresponding <sc/> and <ec/>. That constraint exists only for canCopy, canDelete and canOverlap.


I don't see anywhere either that the processor should magically complement the undefined attributes in <ec/> by looking at the

corresponding <sc/>. At the same time, obviously, it would be illogical to have different values.


Are we missing yet another "implicit" constraint?









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