Re: [xslt-conformance] Spreading the Work

[Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@sun.com>]

Lofton, 

I believe you're misreading.

There are two basic statements in the copyright.
The first starts with the words "This document", and it asserts that it
can be copied, redistributed and modified (derived from) as long as the
copyright notice is preserved.

The second starts with the words "However, this document itself", that
is the document on which the copyright is, not a copy of it, not a
translation of it, not a derivation of it, but this document itself,
cannot be modified in any way except in the process of developing an
OASIS specification.

So let's put this in concrete terms. The XSLT-conformance TC puts a draft
of a DTD, let's call it XSLT-conf DTD v1.0, out in the TC's home page.
That DTD has a copyright notice as specified. That DTD can be copied,
translated, etc -- that is you can ftp it to your system, modify it, etc.
as long as you preserve the copyright. But NO ONE can modify the DTD
document that appears on the Web as reached from the TC home page, except
the TC itself in the process of working on it.

IANAL, though, so perhaps you should consult yours ;-)




Lofton Henderson wrote:
> 
> At 10:24 AM 10/25/01 -0400, Karl F. Best wrote:
> > > Rather than do that privately, Karl is on this list and
> > > perhaps he can
> > > comment publicly so that other TCs can reference his response.
> >
> >Eduardo had it right: the OASIS IPR allows anyone else to take the work
> >of OASIS TCs and use it, and create derivative works, as long as the
> >OASIS copyright statement stays on it.
> 
> Eduardo and I apparently read it the same way -- derivatives **for
> restricted purposes**.
> 
> Quote from OASIS.IPR.4(C):
> 
> "However, this document itself may not be modified in any way, such as by
> removing the copyright notice or references to OASIS, except as needed for
> the purpose of developing OASIS specifications, in which case the
> procedures for copyrights defined in the OASIS Intellectual Property Rights
> document must be followed, or as required to translate it into languages
> other than English."
> 
> Unless I'm missing some overriding legalese somewhere, I think that is
> pretty clear.  No modifications, except for some fairly useless
> exceptions.  I say "useless", because it seems to prevent our most useful
> and hoped-for scenario (my #2), whereby others take our good work, modify
> it for their needs, give appropriate credit, and incorporate it into their
> work.
> 
> Am I missing or mis-reading something?
> 
> -Lofton.
> 
> >(And yes, I'm on all the TC lists, but I'm sometimes a day or so behind
> >scanning them. So send to me directly if it's urgent.)
> >
> ></karl>
> >=================================================================
> >Karl F. Best
> >OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> >978.667.5115 x206
> >karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: G. Ken Holman [mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:28 AM
> > > To: xslt-conformance@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [xslt-conformance] Spreading the Work
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01/10/24 15:45 -0700, Eduardo Gutentag wrote:
> > > >from a procedural point of view, the product of OASIS TCs
> > > should carry a
> > > >copyright
> > > >that allows for "stealing" (their words ;-)
> > > >(see http://oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.shtml)
> > > >as long as the copyright and OASIS's name are preserved.
> > > >
> > > >I don't see that copyright notice in what is visible through
> > > the XSLT's home
> > > >page at OASIS (under the one you mentioned, "5. Documents")
> > > so I'm not sure
> > > >what the status is in this case.
> > >
> > > I will ask all members to review all documents they create to ensure
> > > compliance with the IPR policy before our first official release.
> > >
> > > >Ken, you might want to consult with Karl as to what is
> > > appropriate in this
> > > >case, or you might consider slapping the right copyright
> > > notice on the
> > > >available
> > > >product of the TC
> > >
> > > Rather than do that privately, Karl is on this list and
> > > perhaps he can
> > > comment publicly so that other TCs can reference his response.
> > >
> > > Thanks Eduardo!  (and Karl!)
> > >
> > > ...................... Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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