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Subject: Re: [codelist] Dissenting argument on namespace URI
Sorry, you already answered my questions in your other post! Cheers, Tony. On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:24:58 +0100, Anthony B. Coates (Miley Watts) <abcoates@mileywatts.com> wrote: > Thanks, Robin. Maybe you could help me in understanding the OASIS > namespace URI guidelines > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/resourceNamingV07.html#NamespaceDesign > > a little better. In particular the section > > ---- > TCs should avoid creating collision/confusion and semantic overloading > at the point of a XML Namespace URI which could be mistaken for a > regular directory URI, or vice versa; thus, for any Type 1 or Type 3 > HTTP scheme namespace URI terminating in foo or foo/ (e.g., > http://http://docs.oasis-open.org/tcName/path/foo), no URIs should be > created for resources matching "*" in > http://http://docs.oasis-open.org/tcName/path/foo/*. IOW: we don't put > any content in directory foo/. > ---- > > I understood this to mean that if the genericode 1.0 namespace URI is > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/1.0/ > > that we can't have any documents whose access URI is of the form > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/1.0/* > > However, this is not consistent with the first two of the RDDL examples > that you posted > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702 > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702 > > where there are documents in the directory of the namespace URI. Am I > missing something obvious? Thanks, > > Cheers, Tony. > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:36:16 +0100, Robin Cover <robin@oasis-open.org> > wrote: > >> Re: >> >>> As an aside, I had a look at the documents in >>> "http://docs.oasis-open.org/";, and couldn't find any TCs that appear >>> to be >>> using RDDL, so I couldn't get any inspiration from what other TCs are >>> doing. >> >> Good catch, Tony. Thanks. We have an action item identifying the need >> for >> an OASIS registry of NS URIs, but it's not yet built. >> >> Meantime, some NS URIs that resolve to RDDLs (and indeed, this is >> what we recommend): >> >> RDDLs: >> >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrm/200702 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200608 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/ws-securitypolicy/200512 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-tx/wsat/2006/06 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-tx/wsba/2006/06 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-tx/wscoor/2006/03 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-tx/wscoor/2006/06 >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsbpel/2.0/plnktype >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsbpel/2.0/process/abstract >> >> Non-OASIS: >> >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/04/sc >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/08/eventing >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/09/mex >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/09/policy >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/09/transfer >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/02/rm >> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/04/ssi >> http://www.opengis.net/gml >> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg >> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing >> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/ws-polling >> http://www.w3.org/2005/SMIL21/ >> >> >> -rcc >> >> ===================================================================================== >> >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Anthony B. Coates (Miley Watts) wrote: >> >>> By my reading of the OASIS guidelines (which I didn't find completely >>> clear), the recommended namespace URI for genericode would be >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/ >>> >>> However, for practical reasons, I think we need to add the version >>> number, >>> so that the namespace URI becomes >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/1.0/ >>> >>> Note that this URI does not contain "/ns/" as Ken's suggested URI >>> does. I >>> don't see any place "/ns/" in the recommended format. However, I think >>> the RDDL document for genericode should be located at >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/ >>> >>> and that all URIs of the form >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/M.N/ >>> >>> should be redirected to a RDDL document at >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/ >>> >>> which contains information about all versions of genericode. However, >>> that doesn't give us anywhere in the URL space to locate the Schemas. >>> >>> As an aside, I had a look at the documents in >>> "http://docs.oasis-open.org/";, and couldn't find any TCs that appear >>> to be >>> using RDDL, so I couldn't get any inspiration from what other TCs are >>> doing. >>> >>> So, in spite of what is suggested in the OASIS docs, I would actually >>> prefer myself to follow Ken's suggestion of >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/ns/genericode/1.0/ >>> >>> for the genericode 1.0 namespace URI, with this being redirected to a >>> RDDL >>> document at >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/ns/genericode/ >>> >>> We could then have the Schemas at (I would suggest) >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/schemas/genericode/1.0/ >>> >>> so that there is a consistent structure to the URLs. >>> >>> Comments? Do we need to get OASIS to recommend something to us? >>> >>> Cheers, Tony. >>> >>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:42:28 +0100, G. Ken Holman >>> <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com> wrote: >>> >>> > It has been brought to my attention that an OASIS policy that states >>> > "HTTP scheme namespace URIs are to be preferred" is already in place: >>> > >>> > >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/resourceNamingV07.html#NamespaceDesign >>> > >>> > I do note that this policy does not allow other files in the >>> directory, >>> > so we cannot put the schema files in that directory as I had hoped. >>> We >>> > can perhaps create another directory with these files, say: >>> > >>> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/genericode/1.0/ >>> > >>> > I was unaware of these policy issues before writing my comments to >>> Ray >>> > ... would members please review the policy statements before >>> tomorrow's >>> > meeting? >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > >>> > . . . . . . . . . Ken >>> > >>> > At 2007-04-16 11:14 -0400, I wrote: >>> >> Given that each committee can have its own repository, I'm >>> suggesting >>> >> we use something like: >>> >> >>> >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/ns/genericode/1.0/ >>> >> >>> >> as the namespace URI with an index.html at that directory in XHTML >>> with >>> >> RDDL statements, copies of the schema files in that directory as a >>> >> central resource that anyone can point to, and any other >>> information in >>> >> support of the base specification. >>> >> >>> >> I understand we have polar opposite opinions on this with strong >>> >> feelings behind both and, as a committee, we have to find a way to >>> move >>> >> forward. The two suggestions on the table so far to consider are: >>> >> >>> >> info:xmlns/oasis/codelist >>> >> >>> >> and >>> >> >>> >> http://docs.oasis-open.org/codelist/ns/genericode/1.0/ >>> >> >>> >> Would other members of the committee please give your opinions and >>> >> other suggestions for consideration? >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > World-wide corporate, govt. & user group XML, XSL and UBL training >>> > RSS feeds: publicly-available developer resources and training >>> > G. Ken Holman mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com >>> > Crane Softwrights Ltd. http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/o/ >>> > Box 266, Kars, Ontario CANADA K0A-2E0 +1(613)489-0999 (F:-0995) >>> > Male Cancer Awareness Aug'05 http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/o/bc >>> > Legal business disclaimers: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/legal >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anthony B. Coates >>> Senior Partner >>> Miley Watts LLP >>> Experts In Data >>> +44 (79) 0543 9026 >>> Data standards participant: ISO 20022 (ISO 15022 XML), ISO 19312, >>> UN/CEFACT TMG, MDDL, FpML, UBL. >>> http://www.mileywatts.com/ >>> > > > -- Anthony B. Coates Senior Partner Miley Watts LLP Experts In Data +44 (79) 0543 9026 Data standards participant: ISO 20022 (ISO 15022 XML), ISO 19312, UN/CEFACT TMG, MDDL, FpML, UBL. http://www.mileywatts.com/
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