AW: [dita] Groups - DITA 1.2 proposal 12039 Note as first element in step (IssueNumber12039.html) uploaded

["SeicoDyne DITA" <dita@seicodyne.ch>]

Robert,

Thanks for pointing me to that, if I wrote "this cannot be done through a
stylesheet" I wrote that wrong. It can be done by a stylesheet but the
logical order should be defined in the DTD.

E.g. theoretically in a DTD it is possible to place a prereq chapter at the
end of a body and the closereq chapter at the beginning and then to change
the order in the output with a stylesheet. But it is obvious that we would
never define such nonsens in a DTD, as it has to follow the logical order.

I will check my document and will update it. Can you guide me to the line
where I made this false statement?

Best regards

Chris

 
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Von: Robert D Anderson [mailto:robander@us.ibm.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. November 2007 16:49
An: dita@lists.oasis-open.org; dita@seicodyne.ch
Betreff: Re: [dita] Groups - DITA 1.2 proposal 12039 Note as first element
in step (IssueNumber12039.html) uploaded

Hi Chris - just to add one more comment - I see that your document says this
cannot be done through a stylesheet, but I am not sure I understand why. The
issue of a note appearing on one page, with the command on another, would
still be possible whether the <note> element is coded before or after the
<cmd> element, right?

That is, if the output is not rendered correctly, I do not understand why
this is considered a weakness in the DTD instead of a weakness in the
rendering tool.

Thanks,

Robert D Anderson
IBM Authoring Tools Development
Chief Architect, DITA Open Toolkit
(507) 253-8787, T/L 553-8787 (Good Monday & Thursday)


                                                                           
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                                       proposal 12039 Note as first        
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Hi Chris,

Is it correct to say that your requirement is that, when the step is
rendered to an end user, the hazard note must be displayed first? The
international regulations do not mandate the order that the information is
stored in a source document, right?

In that case, it should be a relatively simple thing to encode a hazard
statement after the <cmd> element, but force it to render before the
command. If you cannot work with the note element inside <info>, then I
think it would impact other users less if the suggested order placed note
after cmd:
      <!ELEMENT step          (%cmd;,
                         (%info;  |%substeps; | %tutorialinfo; | %note; |
                          %stepxmp; | %choicetable; | %choices;)*,
                         (%stepresult;)? )                           >

As I mentioned it should still be possible to pick out the hazard note and
force it to render before the command.

Robert D Anderson
IBM Authoring Tools Development
Chief Architect, DITA Open Toolkit
(507) 253-8787, T/L 553-8787 (Good Monday & Thursday)

dita@seicodyne.ch wrote on 11/20/2007 08:58:56 AM:

> The document named     DITA 1.2 proposal 12039 Note as first element in
step
> (IssueNumber12039.html) has been submitted by Mr. Chris Kravogel to 
> the OASIS Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) TC document 
> repository.
>
> Document Description:
> HTML version of the proposal for DITA 1.2 item 12039, Note as first
element
> in step. To follow directives in many countries for safe manipulations 
> on machines, it is required to place a hazard statement / a note as 
> first element in a step.
>
> Proposal of the Machine Industry Subcommittee
>
> View Document Details:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/document.php?
> document_id=26164
>
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