Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / EditorsActionItem, et al)

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Joe,

Certainly.

See the materials at :

 http://www.businesscentricmethodology.com

DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: "'ebSOA'" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics /
EditorsActionItem, et al)


> David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> > Duane,
> >
> > Such 'best practice' stuff is the domain of the eGov TC - see their
> > document on ebMS recently - and note that the whole premise
> > behind best practice is some domain as a reference set.
> >
> > IMHO ebSOA is a technical specification that provides the
> > mechanisms and components that allow implementers to
> > successfully leverage a broad range of OASIS technologies
> > together as a coherent whole - while delivering on core
> > SOA characteristics (therein is the challenge - figuring that out).
> >
> > That is why I see BCM and EPR as instructive here - as
> > these are actual domains that are attempting to do exactly
> > this - provide people a roadmap to enable them to
> > successfully utilize SOA in a cost-effective and reliable
> > way that delivers the right amount of technology for
> > their business needs.   The US Government spent two
> > years and significant manpower developing BCM;
>
> David, do you happen to have any references for this? (US Government and
> BCM)
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> > likewise the Norwegian Government has invested
> > two years of effort in the EPR work.  Not to mention
> > the huge effort dedicated to ebXML development
> > to date.
> >
> > Learning from, leveraging and extending these
> > open public specifications is I believe a clear
> > win for ebSOA.
> >
> > DW
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > To: "'ebSOA'" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics /
> > EditorsActionItem, et al)
> >
> > > Thank Duane - my comment below that begins with "Very respectfully
> > > disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference mature..." was actually in
> > > reference to the Best Practices document. That is my core concern -
that
> > > we will offer what we term "best practices" that implementors cannot
> > > even implement. At this point, I'm seriously questioning the
connection
> > > of this TC's work to (please pardon my saying this) reality.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > Duane Nickull wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Joseph:
> > > >
> > > > The specification itself will not normatively reference other
standards
> > > > (perhaps a non-normative reference as a possible implementation
choice
> > > > is possible). We are at a higher level than any specific concrete
> > > > implementation.  We did agree to this.
> > > >
> > > > That is the entire basis for why our TC will also publish a "best
> > > > practices" document.  That document will speak to the implementors
at
> > > > the specific time and make such references.
> > > >
> > > > I hope that works for you.
> > > >
> > > > Duane
> > > >
> > > > Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Duane Nickull wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>..How well-equipped will we be
> > > > >>>to encourage adoption of our work if it relies so heavily on
shaky
> > > > >>>foundations?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>[DN]
> > > > >>
> > > > >>We will not rely on shaky foundations.  I have made this mistake
> > writing
> > > > >>other architectural standards and advocate we do not repeat them
here.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Adoption of our standard may not be measured in specific
> > > > >>implementations.  A metric may be how people think going forward.
> > When
> > > > >>someone asks the question "What is SOA and how can it benefit my
> > > > >>company?", the answer should be "Pick up and read a copy of the
OASIS
> > eb
> > > > >>SOA Spec".
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Very respectfully disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference
mature
> > > > >standards that have been widely adopted within industry and
government,
> > > > >and for which there is a more than adequate level of available
vendor
> > > > >products, including some from what one would consider a major
vendor.
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Duane
> > > > >>
> > > > >>--
> > > > >>Senior Standards Strategist
> > > > >>Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > > >>http://www.adobe.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Senior Standards Strategist
> > > > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > > http://www.adobe.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > Associate
> > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > >
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>