Re: RE: [ebxml-bp] Abela 10/26/2004: Feedback on BPSS Resources

[Monica Martin <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>]

We can bring this up in our teleconference next week Jesmond. If you can attend, please do so: 866 882 3998 international 865 525 0769 passcode 9081038.  
9 a.m. PST, Tuesday, 23 Nov 2004.

If we need a separate call, we can schedule at that time. Thanks for the followup.
Monica

----- Original Message -----
From: Jesmond Abela <jesmonda@maltanet.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 0:45 am
Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] Abela 10/26/2004: Feedback on BPSS Resources

> Hi,
> 
> Following up on the lead as promised! I have been in contact with Tom
> Baeyens Founder and Lead Developer, JBoss jBPM. I am attaching his 
> replyto this email, should anybody be interested to participate.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Jesmond
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Baeyens [tom.baeyens@jboss.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:46
> To: Jesmond Abela
> Subject: RE: Support of open standards in jBPM 3.0
> 
> 
> Jesmond,
> 
> This definitely has my interest.  Not much docs available yet on 
> the new
> architecture.  We are just done with prototyping and we are 
> transformingthis prototype into a first alpha version.
> 
> I want to spend some time on this : i propose a one hour 
> teleconference to
> describe the new architecture to you and your developers.
> 
> https://jboss.webex.com/jboss/onstage/tool/record/viewrecording1.php?EventID=316430010&Rnd=0.4337379236076788
> is a jboss jbpm webinar that touches briefly on jbpm 3 at the end.
> 
> the sources of the new architecture can be found in cvs.
> 
> The gain for us would be that you implement another spec on top of the
> jbpm kernel.  This will make jBPM the defacto standard in workflow
> engines.  Therefor I want to assist your team if they get stuck.  
> Will you
> be publishing the BPSS the under the LGPL license ?
> 
> what about OASIS TC and an open source reference impl for BPSS ?
> 
> regards, tom.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesmond Abela [jesmonda@maltanet.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 16:29
> To: 'Sacha Schlegel'
> Cc: 'Monica J. Martin'; 'ebXML BP'
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] Abela 10/26/2004: Feedback on BPSS Resources
> 
> 
> Hi Sacha,
> 
> Thank you for the information, in fact I had suggested if jBPM 
> could be
> used precisely because I have seen the press release you refer to. 
> I have
> seen from the minutes of the TC conference call on the 25th 
> October, that
> some members had some reservation to use jBPM, and recommended
> "ActiveBPEL". I am not aware of technical problems regarding the 
> use of
> jBPM,  however I have found this mail on the jBPM developer's 
> forum that
> might be interesting.
> 
> I am currently following up on this lead..
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Jesmond
> 
> 
> 
> 
> By: Tom Baeyens - tombaeyens
> jboss jbpm 3.0 and standards support
> 2004-10-20 03:58
> hi,
> 
> i just want to give you all some insight in the ideas we are 
> working out
> for the next version of jbpm. your feedback is highly appreciated.
> Following 2 issues are the main improvements for the 3.0 version.
> 
> layered process modelling
> ===================
> this means that we are finalizing the core process model and its
> execution. version 2 already had a core engine that was based on a
> directed graph. in version 3 we will separate the directed graph core
> engine from the JPDL stuff. This will enable us to implement other 
> models(such as BPEL, ebXML, XPDL, BPML, ...) on top of the core 
> jbpm engine.
> 
> pluggable architecture
> =================
> We have done extended research to identify and isolate the
> responsibilities of workflow management systems (aka 
> perspectives). E.g.
> state management, context management, integration, task mgmt, 
> interface,time based events, ...
> 
> State management is the central responsibility. One of the reasons of
> existence for workflow mgmt systems is that programming languages 
> are not
> well suited to express states. All the other responsibilities are 
> add-ons
> that decorate the state management.
> 
> The new architecture of jbpm 3 will have state management as the basic
> layer. On top of that a number of optional modules can be plugged 
> in. Each
> module corresponds to a responsibility. This pluggable 
> architecture will
> allow users of jbpm to select only the responsibilities they need. 
> And on
> top of that, they will also be able to plug in new modules that 
> extend the
> funtionalities of the core engine.
> 
> I will make some more information available on our vision of the
> responsibilities shortly.
> 
> regards, tom.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sacha Schlegel [sschlegel@cyclonecommerce.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:30
> To: Jesmond Abela
> Cc: Monica J. Martin; ebXML BP
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] Abela 10/26/2004: Feedback on BPSS Resources
> 
> 
> Hi Jesmond
> 
> For a work at University I have played [1] with ebBP 1.01. But it is
> incomplete: no join/fork/decision, no business signals, no timers 
> ... And
> it is written in Ruby (guess most people expect Java).
> 
> There is www.jbpm.org which was just joined into the jboss 
> project. It is
> available under the LGPL licence if that matters to you. I think 
> they are
> based on Van der Aalst's extended petri nets theories/works. They list
> ebXML BPSS on their website. So that might be something to look at.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Sacha
> 
> [1] Listed on www.freebxml.org (other open source projects)
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 28.10.2004, 01:32 +0200 schrieb Jesmond Abela:
> > Thank you for your previous invitation to the TC conference,
> > unfortunately I had received this too late for the TC tel. conf. on
> > the 25th Oct., but perhaps I will join on the 1st. Nov.
> >
> > Thank you and the TC participant for the suggestions included in 
> your> mail, I will be following up on the matter, and "stay tuned" for
> > further updates.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Jesmond
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Monica J. Martin [Monica.Martin@Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 01:47
> > To: jesmonda@maltanet.net
> > Cc: ebXML BP
> > Subject: [ebxml-bp] Abela 10/26/2004: Feedback on BPSS Resources
> >
> >
> >
> > |Abela:....ebXML-BP is required to implement the BPM component 
> for the
> > |ebXML framework (i.e. attempting to adapt BPEL will not be very
> > |successful since this is not intended for multiparty 
> collaborations,> |but rather orchestration of web services).
> >
> > |I do not wish (and do not have the resources) to implement an ebXML
> > |BPSS BPM from scratch, and have been searching for an 
> implementation> |of such components for integration either as open 
> source or
> > |otherwise, but found only very limited support. Given that 
> ebXML-BP
> > |v2.0 is imminent, I suppose that it will be even more unlikely to
> > |find such implementations.
> >
> > |Alternatively, perhaps an existing BPM/workflow framework (e.g. 
> JBOSS> |jBPM ) can be used to implement the BPSS engine. Has anybody
> > |considered or looked into this matter?
> >
> > mm1: Jesmond, we discussed this in Monday's regular TC 
> teleconference> and have some suggestions for you. 1. Modeling tool:
> > http://drrw.net/visualscripts/. See David Webber, ''David RR 
> Webber' '
> > <david@drrw.info>. v2.0 update pending in the next month. 2. JEITA
> > (Japan): I have queried Yano Yeisuke to see if JEITA is 
> interested in
> > collaborating with other organizations. In the interim, Yano-san:
> > <yano@jp.fujitsu.com>. 3. Use of open source tools: JJ Dubray
> > suggested you consider the open source ActiveBPEL to build the BPSS.
> > (http://www.activebpel.org/?googleoss)
> > 4. In work prototype: Sacha Schlegel did a shell-prototype 
> during his
> > masters' thesis. See Sacha at: <sacha@schlegel.li>. 5. Other 
> options:> I am checking on another option for you from another 
> member. Stay
> > tuned.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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